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another episode of the stench of truth

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now that will take care of the promo

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material here and let me just say that

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we're hopeful to have both Jim Marrs and

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but Peter lavinda is not with us right

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at the moment he is traveling so he may

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be experiencing some connectivity

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problems wherever he is but if he is

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able to come in at any point during the

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him in but as of right now we do have

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little bit about Jim Marrs before we

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bring him on first of all you can find

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his webpage which is Jim Marrs comm and

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of course Mars is spelled with two R's

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Jim Mars dot-com and from there you can

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find all the books he's written which is

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a great deal and some very fascinating

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books as well including the latest book

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our occulted history which we will be

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discussing with him as well as the

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terror conspiracy the trillion-dollar

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conspiracy above top secret the rise of

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the fourth reich size spies ruled by

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secrecy crossfire which was the

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principal principal work that was used

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by oliver stone for the movie JFK

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alien agenda and let's see what else we

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got here The Sisterhood of the Rose and

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those books are they are on Jim Marrs

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them at any good bookstore as well and

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including amazon.com and there are

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have him on my show and I'm really happy

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to have him here hopefully as I said

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course of the show and we'll we'll have

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the full lineup for you but as of right

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sorry about that but let's get on with

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the show with Jim Morris thanks Jim for

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coming to the show today I'm so happy to

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have you

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hey Ted it's my pleasure and it

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certainly seems like deja vu yeah it

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does doesn't it yeah the last time you

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had Peter on and then I was trying to

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connect and there was something

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something that I think a storm had

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knocked out my phones or something and

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and we were just unable to connect it

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was quite frustrating it was indeed it

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was indeed but I'm really happy to have

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you here today and I think what we'll do

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Jim you know if Peter is able to join us

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he will of course and then we'll go down

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that road whenever it comes but as of

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concentrate on your work which is a

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tremendous amount of material in any

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case to keep us busy for the next two

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hours with no problem at all so let's

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let's just do a little overview here Jim

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listening to this show are going to be

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very familiar with you and the material

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that you have brought forward and your

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books and the many appearances you've

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done on radio over the years so I don't

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think we need any kind of like

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introduction from you I mean as far as

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like where you come from and how you've

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come to be where you are now

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but I would I would ask you if you had a

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looks like Peter is here so so we will

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be able to be bringing him in so I was

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going to ask you Jim when you did your

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last book which was of course our

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occulted history which was a really good

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book by the way and I did really enjoy

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reading that did you did you come across

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any material like during the course of

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your research that indicated that

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governments around the world had any

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interest in religions per se like from

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an intelligence agency point of view and

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the reason I ask this is because one of

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the things that I noticed when I think

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day and he told me a story about he told

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me a story about how when they found the

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Dead Sea Scrolls one of them actually

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made its way it was maybe it was a Nick

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maybe both of them had the story but

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that somehow one of the Dead Sea Scrolls

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actually ended up in the hands of a CIA

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agent over in the Middle East and it

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started to make me think that perhaps

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intelligence agencies might have some

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interest in religious origins if for no

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other purpose then for the purpose of

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propaganda and I wondered if you had

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ever come across anything like that in

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your in in your research oh absolutely

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in fact what I was somewhat surprised

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not entirely but similar surprise was

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that religion combined with finances

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appears to be the two oldest most

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surefire control mechanisms to control

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the human race early on we have legends

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primitive culture around the world and

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I'm talking Africa Australia Europe

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China and they all tell us the same

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basic story that gods from the sky came

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down and visited them with craft and

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that some of these gods were able to

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destroy whole cities with just a single

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weapon and obviously they're talking

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about something that's real and

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something that involved technology that

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was at least comparable if not more

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advanced than our own today

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and of course needless to say a

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primitive person people say living in a

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Stone Age civilization would be could

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obviously be easily led to believe that

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these were gods

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for example and but some of that is a

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recent phenomenon for example some of

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the oldest writings on the planet are

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the tablets that left us by the

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Sumerians who occupied the area between

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the Tigris and Euphrates rivers over in

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what is now Iraq and unlike unlike the

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Egyptians and the Romans which we know a

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lot about and we study in school we

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actually can know more about these

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Sumerians because the Egyptians and the

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Romans they were everything down on

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paper and tap

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and it got lost and destroyed and

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deteriorated and burned up in wars and

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everything else the Sumerians used a

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stylus to write down their cuneiform on

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clay tablets and then they baked them

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turning them to stone and there's about

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a half a million these tablets still in

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existence but they're scattered in

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museums and basements of museums all

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around the world and what's really

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fascinating isn't really about 20% of

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them have been translated and they only

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began to be translated in the early to

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mid 1800s well back then when they read

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their accounts of people flying through

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the air people destroying cities with a

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single blast with weapons they could be

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you know could destroy a whole whole

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city and plus they began to read about

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how they could change one species kind

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of into another through breeding

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programs everything they they had no

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concept of spaceflight or of cloning or

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of DNA or of genetic manipulation and as

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a result you actually can read a lot of

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material that can be found in these

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Sumerian tablets in the Encyclopedia

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Britannica ok but you can't look under

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history you have to look under Sumerian

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mythology because back in the 1800s when

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they begin to interpret and translate

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these tablets it was so far outside of

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their scientific knowledge at that time

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they just said well this is just a

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mythology and they're just making up

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this stuff you know their gods well but

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the problem is now there's a growing

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number of scholars who in the wake of

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the moon landing and in-vitro

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fertilization and gene genetic

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manipulation cloning that we now

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understand more of what they were

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actually talking about and they now

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begin to see that perhaps these people

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were not just making up their gods

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perhaps they were telling us events and

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things that they knew to be true and

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this is a growing phenomenon but of

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course conventional science which

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doesn't want to

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move one inch off of what they feel like

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is you know their gospel they still are

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refusing to look at all of this and and

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yet it makes for a coherent story and it

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makes everything fit for example in the

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tablets they tell that they they explain

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exactly how they produced a hybrid

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between the human race in a race it not

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particularly ours they said they took

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the egg of a they earth primitive female

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and they inseminate it with the sperm of

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a visitor male the Anunnaki as they

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called him the Anunnaki simply means

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those who came down from the heavens and

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landed on the earth and then they took

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the fertilized egg and put it in the

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womb of a they Anunnaki female who

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carried it to term and then it was

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delivered through cesarean section and

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it produced a living hybrid that they

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call the Adama or the Adam Adam in that

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interesting the first hybrid and they

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and of course today we can do the same

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thing but in 1800s Early 1900 when they

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were translating they say they didn't

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understand and you know what in the

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world they were talking about and so

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actually and so this explains a lot for

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example you know all through my lifetime

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the scientists have been searching for

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the missing link that link between

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primitive man Neanderthal and modern man

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cro-magnon well I submit they're not

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ever going to find it because there is

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none they simply took the Neanderthal

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and Neanderthal and they tweaked his DNA

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and they produced the cro-magnon of the

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modern man and this is important to

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understand this because I've already had

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people saying you know are you claiming

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that the aliens created this well no not

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exactly in fact all they did was improve

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the breed okay just like we do with

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cattle and sheep and horses and dogs and

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cats you know and they simply improve

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the breed in fact

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ted is really fascinating that the

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ancient sumerians and the according to

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their tablets this examine aki these

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people who were visiting here from

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somewhere else had the same ethical

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arguments that we have today in that

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they were claiming now wait a minute

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when it was proposed by their science

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officer that they tweaked the

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Neanderthals and create a worker race

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they said well it's not up to us to

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create people you know or living things

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and that's only the provision of God

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which is really really interesting

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because that means that even these

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visitors did not consider themselves god

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they knew there was a universal creative

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power of God if you will that they too

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were aware of and they argued the same

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arguments that we hear today about

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cloning and genetic manipulation but

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their science officers simply argued

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that that well we're not creating

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anything we're just improving the breed

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and that's all in the world apparently

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that happened but of course it was good

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for us because that was the genesis of

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the modern human race didn't did the did

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the Anunnaki have Monsanto Jim yeah well

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they certainly knew the secrets in fact

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according to the ancient texts they are

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the ones who brought farming and a lots

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of the plants and that we now use as

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consumable food they brought it to the

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earth and or at least designed some

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things while they're here since they

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obviously had a knowledge of

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manipulation of the genetic material and

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again that can actually kind of be

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substantiated because the Sumerian

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tablets carry an identical story of the

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Great Flood just like the one that's

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reported in the Old Testament in fact

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the details are so similar and run so

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parallel that most authorities are

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willing to accept that the biblical

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story of Noah and the flood was simply a

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later recounting of the earlier accounts

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of the Sumerians and in fact there's

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only really two

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main differences in the accounts even

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though the Cimmerian account goes back

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several thousand years before the Bible

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was ever put down on paper the two main

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differences being that the Bible of

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course the person who was contacted by

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his God and told to build an ark and

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rescued everybody was named Noah in the

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Sumerian his name was a piston but what

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a weird name and hard to pronounce so I

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can see where Noah was a lot of no

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anyway yeah we call it a view but the

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second difference is really intriguing

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because as a youngster in Sunday school

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I had a little problem with the story of

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Noah's Ark because I'm thinking now wait

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a minute you trying to tell me that the

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Lions and the Tigers are there on this

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little boat and they're bedding down

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with the gazelles and the Zebras they're

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there their lunch wait a minute you know

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how does that work

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and according to the Sumerian tablets of

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no piston or that biblical Noah was not

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told to take two of every living thing

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plant an animal but to take the seed of

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every living thing which now if you

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consider that he took DNA samples little

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tissue and a little petri dish or a

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little vial or a little jar now instead

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of a boatload of animals which doesn't

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make much sense you've got a boat with a

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closet that has DNA samples in it

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which can then be used to reconstitute

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the plants and the animals once the

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waters recede in both stories the ark

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landed on Mount area which is a mountain

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in southern Turkey just north of

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Mesopotamia and according to the

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Sumerian accounts when they came out of

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the ark the Anunnaki came down where

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they had been in orbit riding out the

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great upheaval of the flood and the

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earthquakes that took place

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and that they again help them

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reconstitute the plant life and

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therefore the farming began again and

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there are some evidence to support all

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this because the scientists tell us that

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farming did not begin in the river

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valleys and the coastal plains where

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you'd think it would with good fertile

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soil and then move upwards into the

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higher altitudes but instead began in

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the higher altitudes of the Caucasus

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mountain region or where Mount area is

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located and then move downward to the

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more fertile ground so this tends to

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support their story that the Anunnaki

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came and that's and that the ark came to

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rest on a high mountain top and that

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they then spread from the mountain tops

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down into the lower elevations it's

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quite fascinating well Peter Peter has

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actually joined us here so let's bring

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him into the discussion Jim so Peter II

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there that's great wonderful I'm glad to

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have both of you on the show together

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it's it's going to be a fascinating

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discussion now we had just been

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discussing with Jim about his latest

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book our halted his tree where we're

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talking about origins of humanity and

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this sort of thing and I I know that you

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have come across a lot of this material

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in the course of your travels Peter did

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do you want to jump in and add any

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anything to what Jim has already talked

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about well I thought I had just logged

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into the Christian Broadcasting Network

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for a minute I think Jim's pretty much

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said at all so if I can jump in here I

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got to make a caveat here okay but in my

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new book is our occulted history and

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what I need to explain is my use of the

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word Colton and I'm sure Peter

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understands this but maybe some of your

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listeners might not you're not gonna

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read anything about devil worship or

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zombies or witches because or anything

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that we normally think of is the occult

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I use the term in the astronomical sense

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in that when the moon eclipses the Sun

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that's called an occultation because the

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moon masks or hides the Sun so in this

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in this sense occulted simply means our

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hidden history in its history that and I

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say hidden because it's not just lost

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it's not just hidden that we don't know

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about it is hidden that certain forces

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and certain organizations have been

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quite active in trying to prevent the

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human crowd from learning about Peter

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I'm sure is very familiar with a lot of

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this in fact I still refer to his

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trilogy a book called sinister forces

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he's he was right into it thank you very

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much Jim yeah sure and I do agree that

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the history has been occulted we're not

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exactly sure all the time by whom or

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what the agenda is but the occultation

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certainly has taken place and you know

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we're trying to uncover some of that you

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know gradually as we go on it's a it's

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like a treasure hunt I mean trying to

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figure out what the real history you

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know was I mean trying to find out what

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our origins are you know we have to

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really start you know start afresh start

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anew and this is something I've been

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writing about something Jim's and

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writing about the decades you know the

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idea that the history were taught in

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school is not history it's just a

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narrative it's just a story

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that people come up with that you know

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handily tries to address some of the

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main issues and makes us all sleep

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better at night but it's not necessarily

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what really went on it's not really the

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story of what actually has happened

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what's taken place over the last held

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not just over the last 50 60 70 years or

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over the last you know cinamon thousand

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years I mean we we really don't know who

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we are we don't know what our origins

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are we don't know where we've come so

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how do we know where we're going and

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this is probably what Jim's been writing

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about I know it's what I've been writing

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about - well you guys both of you are

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you know well-known and respected

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authors and both of you

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of material that overlaps each other you

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know Jim is written about the

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continuation of the Nazis after World

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War two and that's a big part of your

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research as well Peter and how some of

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these people escaped justice and you

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know how some of them were brought over

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here during Operation Paperclip and and

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I know from listening to Jim and reading

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his books that were pretty much I think

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we all three of us and and perhaps I

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could even speak for the majority of the

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people who are listening that that we

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could all agree that we're living in a

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so-called country right now which is is

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really a continuation of some kind of a

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Nazi Enclave or the Fourth Reich as Jim

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is coded and we're seeing it manifests

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itself more and more as time goes by

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with the crackdown from the police state

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and all this other kind of stuff so the

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point I was trying to make in addition

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to what you guys were talking about was

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that history is deliberately hidden from

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us and deliberately misrepresented and

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occulted so that we can't see what's

545
00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:16,890
coming so that we can't look in the past

546
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:19,500
and say hey this thing happened then and

547
00:26:22,399 --> 00:26:20,820
it looks like the same kind of

548
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:22,409
conditions are happening now to bring

549
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:24,600
about the same thing before so I think

550
00:26:28,279 --> 00:26:26,610
they constantly rewrite this stuff

551
00:26:29,690 --> 00:26:28,289
trying to hide the things they don't

552
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,700
want people to know about or downplay

553
00:26:35,210 --> 00:26:32,159
them would you would you all agree with

554
00:26:37,549 --> 00:26:35,220
that well I saw a quote from Winston

555
00:26:38,899 --> 00:26:37,559
Churchill recently that really kind of

556
00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:38,909
grabbed me and I think it pretty well

557
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,809
says at all

558
00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:42,480
if this is a legitimate quote and I

559
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:48,179
think it was he he supposedly said I am

560
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:50,700
gonna look good in the history books and

561
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:53,039
he says I know that because I will write

562
00:27:00,740 --> 00:26:56,640
them and that pretty well sums it up

563
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,750
because as as the old axiom says the

564
00:27:06,260 --> 00:27:03,360
victors write history and that's very

565
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:06,270
true so that's why our history gets so

566
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:09,570
skewed because you never really hear the

567
00:27:16,090 --> 00:27:12,090
other side you only hear the side of the

568
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:16,100
Victor's that's right there was a

569
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:21,900
Christian mission about to 300 ad who

570
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:25,200
wrote this great line he said that not

571
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:27,690
all true things are to be told and to

572
00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:30,690
foment and that was in the context of

573
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:32,580
religion and in the context of what the

574
00:27:36,409 --> 00:27:34,169
truth might or might not have been about

575
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:36,419
the life of Jesus and what happens to

576
00:27:40,940 --> 00:27:38,760
Jesus etc and here's a here's a Catholic

577
00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:40,950
bishop at the time saying we can't tell

578
00:27:44,690 --> 00:27:42,630
everybody everything we can't tell the

579
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:44,700
true stuffs people because you know

580
00:27:48,580 --> 00:27:46,289
either they're not ready for it or

581
00:27:51,139 --> 00:27:48,590
they're just children they don't possess

582
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:51,149
indeed necessary background or context

583
00:27:54,049 --> 00:27:52,890
or whatever phony reasons they come up

584
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:54,059
with but there's always a

585
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,130
rationalization they're not telling us

586
00:28:00,639 --> 00:27:57,840
what's going on I find that a little

587
00:28:02,810 --> 00:28:00,649
irritating that were being

588
00:28:04,130 --> 00:28:02,820
classification process of documents that

589
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,140
we've all come up against you know

590
00:28:09,019 --> 00:28:06,000
they're still documents classified for

591
00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:09,029
World War one I mean come on exactly

592
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:12,390
yeah I feel frustrated too because in

593
00:28:16,549 --> 00:28:14,490
the New Testament on more than one

594
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:16,559
occasion you find Jesus telling his

595
00:28:21,529 --> 00:28:19,260
disciples well are they asked him they

596
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:21,539
said why is it that you just tell these

597
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:24,210
parables these little stories to do the

598
00:28:29,090 --> 00:28:26,730
crowds you know and he explained he said

599
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:29,100
well that's because as far as the crowd

600
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:30,990
goes that's just about something all

601
00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:33,120
some of those people can understand so I

602
00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:35,100
try to make my points in these little

603
00:28:40,639 --> 00:28:37,830
parables he says but to you my faithful

604
00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:40,649
followers I will tell you know the real

605
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:43,230
truth well wait a minute I don't read

606
00:28:56,060 --> 00:28:54,330
read and reread a New Testament right so

607
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,070
right we've come across them and now

608
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:59,279
Hammadi gigs come across them at Qumran

609
00:29:02,299 --> 00:29:01,440
we've come across some of the truths you

610
00:29:05,419 --> 00:29:02,309
know but they're not they're not

611
00:29:07,340 --> 00:29:05,429
accepted they're still classified well

612
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,350
and and some of that I some of the

613
00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:09,840
parables are do have truthful points but

614
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:11,340
the problem is it's not the whole truth

615
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:13,049
it's not everything yeah I don't know

616
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:19,289
every day yes I absolutely agree I think

617
00:29:24,129 --> 00:29:21,659
we do deserve to have a bit of truth I

618
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:24,139
believe

619
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,450
you know when I look into the past and I

620
00:29:30,220 --> 00:29:27,919
think both you guys may agree with me

621
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:30,230
here when you look when you look back

622
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:32,690
into the past and you realize that like

623
00:29:37,930 --> 00:29:34,850
like take ancient Egypt for instance

624
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:37,940
okay there's still you know a great deal

625
00:29:43,029 --> 00:29:40,369
of debate about the pyramids and the

626
00:29:46,060 --> 00:29:43,039
massive megalithic structures that the

627
00:29:48,729 --> 00:29:46,070
Egyptians put together and you know even

628
00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:48,739
you know proposing some very you Trey

629
00:29:52,539 --> 00:29:50,840
ideas about it you know like sonic

630
00:29:55,989 --> 00:29:52,549
levitation and and things of this nature

631
00:29:57,609 --> 00:29:55,999
and you know I'm in no position to say

632
00:29:59,799 --> 00:29:57,619
one way or the other what is true and

633
00:30:02,080 --> 00:29:59,809
what is not but I think when I look back

634
00:30:04,239 --> 00:30:02,090
in time to like the Egyptian time

635
00:30:06,729 --> 00:30:04,249
and I think it probably translates to

636
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:06,739
everywhere else and that is that the the

637
00:30:10,899 --> 00:30:09,289
people who had the knowledge to do the

638
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:10,909
things that they did to build these

639
00:30:16,379 --> 00:30:12,710
megalithic structures and things of this

640
00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:16,389
nature was a very select group of people

641
00:30:24,369 --> 00:30:20,830
perhaps the the priesthood of particular

642
00:30:25,989 --> 00:30:24,379
religion in ancient Egypt or you know a

643
00:30:28,779 --> 00:30:25,999
secret Brotherhood or what-have-you and

644
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,789
it kind of seems to me that it comes

645
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:31,039
down through time that when you have

646
00:30:34,419 --> 00:30:32,690
these religious organizations when you

647
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:34,429
have these Brotherhood's if you will

648
00:30:43,180 --> 00:30:38,210
that really have the knowledge that is

649
00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:43,190
necessary to to bring into to bring

650
00:30:47,979 --> 00:30:45,590
forth knowledge and to build and to do

651
00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:47,989
all of these great things that it's kept

652
00:30:53,710 --> 00:30:51,320
secret on purpose so that the common

653
00:30:55,749 --> 00:30:53,720
rabble can never have access to it and

654
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,759
there's always going to be a need for

655
00:30:59,169 --> 00:30:57,279
that priesthood or that class of people

656
00:31:00,460 --> 00:30:59,179
because they're the only ones that have

657
00:31:03,489 --> 00:31:00,470
the knowledge and this was the very

658
00:31:04,919 --> 00:31:03,499
beginning of the initiatic system that

659
00:31:07,299 --> 00:31:04,929
we have within Brotherhood's like

660
00:31:09,580 --> 00:31:07,309
Freemasonry and things like that

661
00:31:13,899 --> 00:31:09,590
would either you care to comment on that

662
00:31:17,139 --> 00:31:13,909
well knowledge is power and ever has the

663
00:31:19,419 --> 00:31:17,149
knowledge has the power and and and

664
00:31:22,810 --> 00:31:19,429
they're usually loath to give up that

665
00:31:26,019 --> 00:31:22,820
power in fact that's the whole thing I

666
00:31:28,180 --> 00:31:26,029
constantly try to help people in the

667
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:28,190
remind people that I don't care how

668
00:31:32,529 --> 00:31:30,529
brilliant you are I don't care how much

669
00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:32,539
you what good grades you got in school I

670
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:33,350
don't care

671
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:36,169
smart you are if you are operating from

672
00:31:43,100 --> 00:31:36,840
in

673
00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:43,110
never be able to make a a good decision

674
00:31:48,860 --> 00:31:46,169
on anything all right Peter yeah that's

675
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:48,870
absolutely true you know if you're

676
00:31:53,779 --> 00:31:50,610
studying just the books that are

677
00:31:56,510 --> 00:31:53,789
approved in the curriculum just the

678
00:31:58,039 --> 00:31:56,520
stuff that's proved by whatever name

679
00:32:00,560 --> 00:31:58,049
stream academia you're working with then

680
00:32:02,930 --> 00:32:00,570
you are hamstrung by not having access

681
00:32:04,700 --> 00:32:02,940
not having total access to all the the

682
00:32:08,510 --> 00:32:04,710
possible interpretations or all the

683
00:32:11,149 --> 00:32:08,520
possible data you're you're off limits I

684
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:11,159
mean you're working in the dark

685
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,120
Kyle Sagan talked about you know what

686
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,799
lighting a candle in the dark and I

687
00:32:20,750 --> 00:32:18,240
always thought about all Sagan that he

688
00:32:23,210 --> 00:32:20,760
was whistling in the dark because of his

689
00:32:24,769 --> 00:32:23,220
attitude was but whatever we say is true

690
00:32:27,260 --> 00:32:24,779
must be the truth whatever you guys say

691
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:27,270
can't be you know science has created

692
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:31,020
its own kind of priesthood as both of

693
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:32,250
you been talking about a kind of

694
00:32:38,539 --> 00:32:36,360
priesthood of knowledge and it's it is

695
00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:38,549
off-limits to to the rest of us it's not

696
00:32:42,980 --> 00:32:40,980
just because it's couched in in language

697
00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:42,990
of mathematics or something else there's

698
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:46,070
data that's missing there's actual

699
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:48,539
experimentation records that have gone

700
00:32:52,310 --> 00:32:50,730
missing there are things that we can't

701
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:52,320
know we just don't have the access that

702
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:54,360
we're supposed to have and that means

703
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:56,130
that we're operating in the world of

704
00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:58,770
unreality because we think we know what

705
00:33:02,750 --> 00:33:00,840
happened we think we know what the

706
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,760
scientific reasons are for things we

707
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:04,799
think we understand all this but we

708
00:33:08,659 --> 00:33:06,690
really don't we don't understand our own

709
00:33:11,210 --> 00:33:08,669
history you know every time they

710
00:33:13,370 --> 00:33:11,220
Declassified other document I have to go

711
00:33:15,310 --> 00:33:13,380
back and rewrite history I have to go

712
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:15,320
back and relearn what I thought I knew

713
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:17,940
every time a new document hits or every

714
00:33:22,370 --> 00:33:20,880
time there's a Snowden you know or a

715
00:33:24,049 --> 00:33:22,380
Bradley Manning out there every time

716
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,059
there's more stuff that comes to light

717
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:25,919
you have to stop and say late at night

718
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:28,740
okay this was the truth and now I

719
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:30,840
realize it's not what does that mean for

720
00:33:34,340 --> 00:33:31,710
everything else what are the

721
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,350
implications for this knowledge you know

722
00:33:38,419 --> 00:33:36,720
so we always feel thought we knew what

723
00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:38,429
happened in World War two we grew up

724
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:40,470
with those stories our parents told us

725
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:41,850
what happened to the world war two we

726
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:43,529
saw all those black-and-white movies on

727
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,330
television you know and we saw the

728
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:46,799
newsreels that were put out by the

729
00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:49,140
victors by the people who won that

730
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:50,340
conflict so we thought

731
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,770
you know and in the case of world war ii

732
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:54,240
which is written but i've written about

733
00:33:59,390 --> 00:33:57,330
it we know but that story is not refused

734
00:34:02,210 --> 00:33:59,400
and if we don't even know what happened

735
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:02,220
in the last 50 60 years you know how

736
00:34:05,180 --> 00:34:03,720
could we know anything else how could we

737
00:34:08,359 --> 00:34:05,190
be assured that we're operating in the

738
00:34:09,530 --> 00:34:08,369
creative world what's the real world you

739
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:09,540
know what really happened

740
00:34:13,399 --> 00:34:12,089
so we don't know whether it's science

741
00:34:15,619 --> 00:34:13,409
whether it's history whether it's

742
00:34:18,109 --> 00:34:15,629
religion we simply don't know we don't

743
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:18,119
know not allowed to have access right a

744
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:21,300
good example of that is Don Johanson who

745
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:25,050
the discoverer of Lucy some of the

746
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:28,260
oldest hominid ik bones that were found

747
00:34:33,889 --> 00:34:32,010
there in Africa I understand that he was

748
00:34:39,220 --> 00:34:33,899
kind of constrained you know he could

749
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:39,230
not go past 1.5 million years you know

750
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:43,919
Wow well you just go back you forgot man

751
00:34:49,460 --> 00:34:46,260
well that's the same thing with the

752
00:34:50,990 --> 00:34:49,470
theories of who came first to to the

753
00:34:53,180 --> 00:34:51,000
American continent the South American

754
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:53,190
continent you know I mean there are

755
00:34:57,380 --> 00:34:55,260
people who know that the continents were

756
00:34:59,630 --> 00:34:57,390
inhabited much earlier than in the

757
00:35:02,740 --> 00:34:59,640
textbooks tell us we keep coming across

758
00:35:04,609 --> 00:35:02,750
more evidence you know more Jeolla or

759
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,619
archaeological evidence so there were

760
00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:06,960
people living on the continent long

761
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:08,460
before we thought they were the whole

762
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:11,130
idea of the crossing across the Bering

763
00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:12,810
Straits the land bridge and everything

764
00:35:17,780 --> 00:35:15,839
else is an exploded theory but we're

765
00:35:18,770 --> 00:35:17,790
still being taught that it's you know

766
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:18,780
people are still being taught that

767
00:35:22,450 --> 00:35:20,609
that's the safe explanation as to what

768
00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:22,460
happened that's the one that you know

769
00:35:28,070 --> 00:35:26,670
it's the nursery rhyme so think it was

770
00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:28,080
all bits on we're all comfortable with

771
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:29,670
that and it's not what happened

772
00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:32,010
you know there's Owen grain didn't

773
00:35:36,500 --> 00:35:33,900
students get it most everybody not just

774
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,510
accepted as fact and yet they are

775
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:38,640
finding out that during the glacial

776
00:35:42,290 --> 00:35:40,530
periods you know all that area would

777
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:42,300
have been under tons of ice she couldn't

778
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:43,740
across it there would have been no land

779
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:45,690
bridge once there's archaeological

780
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:47,970
evidence there was traffic from North

781
00:35:51,770 --> 00:35:50,130
Africa and Europe you know it's North

782
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:51,780
and South America long black or just

783
00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:54,480
pull you know other you know they did

784
00:35:59,420 --> 00:35:56,790
the the people coming in across from

785
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:59,430
Siberia yesterday there's we know

786
00:36:01,970 --> 00:36:00,540
there's evidence but since the

787
00:36:04,290 --> 00:36:01,980
understood since it's the theory

788
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:04,300
the evidence is rejected and

789
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:06,910
that's part of the problem right exactly

790
00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:09,760
and you know I covered this in my in my

791
00:36:14,970 --> 00:36:12,040
book IRA cultures history the story that

792
00:36:18,300 --> 00:36:14,980
was well reported at the time in the

793
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:18,310
newspapers about the discovery of

794
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:22,930
Egyptian artifacts excuse me and the

795
00:36:29,550 --> 00:36:27,760
Grand Canyon and that was in a 1909

796
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:29,560
paper and they even quote from a

797
00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:32,290
official of the smithsonian institution

798
00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:36,340
which was dr. jordan i believe and they

799
00:36:40,290 --> 00:36:38,020
said they were finding all this stuff

800
00:36:42,570 --> 00:36:40,300
and that they had cranes and they were

801
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:42,580
lowering these things out of the grand

802
00:36:47,310 --> 00:36:45,250
canyon and yet even today the

803
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:47,320
smithsonian says oh no no nothing like

804
00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:52,090
that ever happened excuse me i said no

805
00:36:57,180 --> 00:36:54,100
nothing like that you know that's just

806
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:57,190
not right and yet today if you go and

807
00:37:01,350 --> 00:36:58,720
check the north side of the canyon you

808
00:37:04,020 --> 00:37:01,360
found rock formations with names like

809
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:04,030
the tower of set the tower of law the

810
00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:06,370
horace temple the acerous Temple Mount

811
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:09,070
Isis temple so wait a minute and then I

812
00:37:14,250 --> 00:37:11,890
talked to some people who said they were

813
00:37:16,530 --> 00:37:14,260
backpacking in the north end of the

814
00:37:19,290 --> 00:37:16,540
Grand Canyon and found concrete

815
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:19,300
platforms which they speculated reused

816
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:22,570
to mount that suiting for the list and

817
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,610
bring these things out so what happens

818
00:37:28,230 --> 00:37:26,560
all this stuff and of course that you

819
00:37:30,210 --> 00:37:28,240
could say you could explain that away as

820
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:30,220
one anomaly but what you can't explain

821
00:37:34,830 --> 00:37:32,410
away are the numerous newspaper

822
00:37:37,140 --> 00:37:34,840
clippings as I have in ourselves they go

823
00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:37,150
back into the 1800s and some right on up

824
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:39,220
till the day where they have found the

825
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:43,030
bones of giant humanoids okay I mean

826
00:37:49,230 --> 00:37:45,850
less a giant I mean like 15 feet tall

827
00:37:52,470 --> 00:37:49,240
huge skeletons and these things get

828
00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:52,480
taken away real quick hidden away the

829
00:37:56,700 --> 00:37:54,520
Smithsonian Institution being one of the

830
00:37:58,830 --> 00:37:56,710
main culprits and everybody knows that's

831
00:38:01,230 --> 00:37:58,840
a great scientific establishment but

832
00:38:03,450 --> 00:38:01,240
what most people don't realize is that

833
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:03,460
it is an agency of the United States

834
00:38:09,540 --> 00:38:07,030
government so we have a corollary here

835
00:38:12,270 --> 00:38:09,550
to area 51 which according to a lot of

836
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:12,280
rumors and stories and whistleblowers is

837
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:15,250
where they have housed UFOs and possible

838
00:38:18,070 --> 00:38:16,930
aliens and of course we don't know that

839
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:18,080
because you can't get

840
00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:20,450
there same thing here we have all these

841
00:38:24,070 --> 00:38:23,060
so-called anomalies that they found all

842
00:38:28,090 --> 00:38:24,080
around the world

843
00:38:31,570 --> 00:38:28,100
elongated skulls giant humans certain

844
00:38:34,330 --> 00:38:31,580
archaeological artifacts and yet all

845
00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:34,340
that seems to disappear he goes away and

846
00:38:38,350 --> 00:38:36,980
then we're told it doesn't exist you

847
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:38,360
know how are we ever supposed to

848
00:38:45,420 --> 00:38:40,850
progress as a race when we had no idea

849
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:45,430
of what where we came from well exactly

850
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:48,290
not only how do we progress but how do

851
00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:51,170
we know who we are you know this is

852
00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:53,240
vital for us to know as human beings we

853
00:38:57,130 --> 00:38:55,430
need to know right who we are really

854
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:57,140
where we came from what the truth is

855
00:39:02,050 --> 00:38:58,610
about these things why should we live

856
00:39:05,020 --> 00:39:02,060
and die in the dark you know who's this

857
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:05,030
benefiting you know who's getting was

858
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:07,310
getting off on us on not allowing us to

859
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:10,310
know these things I mean what harm would

860
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:12,650
it possibly do for us to start learning

861
00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:15,770
about our origins and end the real

862
00:39:20,020 --> 00:39:17,780
history of the last few hundred or a few

863
00:39:21,850 --> 00:39:20,030
thousand years away with whose - going

864
00:39:23,410 --> 00:39:21,860
to harm at this point why our document

865
00:39:25,210 --> 00:39:23,420
still classified since World War one I

866
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:25,220
mean you know it's all part of the same

867
00:39:29,050 --> 00:39:26,930
story it's all part of a deliberate

868
00:39:31,150 --> 00:39:29,060
attempt to withhold information from the

869
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:31,160
rest of us and I would like to know why

870
00:39:41,050 --> 00:39:37,570
one thing you can be sure of is that

871
00:39:42,930 --> 00:39:41,060
somebody's benefiting somewhere because

872
00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:42,940
if there's technology or whatever that

873
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:47,270
is excuse me a remnant of past

874
00:39:52,930 --> 00:39:49,730
civilizations that people have knowledge

875
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:52,940
of and that we have no knowledge of as

876
00:40:00,580 --> 00:39:57,200
just your regular average citizen and

877
00:40:02,050 --> 00:40:00,590
whatever country you're in obviously you

878
00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:02,060
know there's a lot of material that is

879
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:04,730
kept hidden I know for a fact that both

880
00:40:11,140 --> 00:40:07,370
of you guys are very very knowledgeable

881
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:11,150
of and have spoken of in the past about

882
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:13,730
the the secret space program that may be

883
00:40:19,540 --> 00:40:16,910
going on with the United States and in

884
00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:19,550
probably other countries as well not to

885
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:23,750
mention what might be left over from you

886
00:40:29,380 --> 00:40:26,480
know the Nazis after World War two which

887
00:40:31,780 --> 00:40:29,390
which I know Joseph Farrow and others

888
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:31,790
have commented that maybe we're dealing

889
00:40:34,510 --> 00:40:32,330
with

890
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:34,520
you know a third force that's active in

891
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:36,650
the world that may be actually engaged

892
00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:38,690
in these type of activities as well and

893
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:41,840
this is all going on you know day to day

894
00:40:46,990 --> 00:40:44,570
week to week month to month right around

895
00:40:48,970 --> 00:40:47,000
us all the time and we have no we have

896
00:40:50,890 --> 00:40:48,980
no knowledge of exactly what's going on

897
00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:50,900
and people making decisions on our

898
00:40:58,240 --> 00:40:52,870
behalf and things of this nature

899
00:41:03,370 --> 00:40:58,250
that well well that's you know that's

900
00:41:06,220 --> 00:41:03,380
the that's the party line if if the

901
00:41:09,790 --> 00:41:06,230
people in charge are simply fools or

902
00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:09,800
just greedy and incompetent or whatever

903
00:41:14,290 --> 00:41:11,870
you know you'd think that occasionally

904
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:14,300
they make a mistake in our favor but it

905
00:41:17,620 --> 00:41:15,200
never happens

906
00:41:19,780 --> 00:41:17,630
no which leads me to believe that

907
00:41:21,610 --> 00:41:19,790
actually when when they're supposed to

908
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:21,620
be representing us they're actually

909
00:41:25,630 --> 00:41:23,330
representing you know rich and powerful

910
00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:25,640
people and and of course if we get

911
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:28,150
anything it's the crumbs off the table

912
00:41:35,170 --> 00:41:31,520
much like the serfs or slaves in ancient

913
00:41:37,090 --> 00:41:35,180
times would sit at the feet of the the

914
00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:37,100
table of the Lord and hope to get

915
00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:39,470
whatever you know was not slopped up by

916
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:41,870
everybody's greedy gorging of whatever

917
00:41:46,330 --> 00:41:43,610
it is it was put out for them on the

918
00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:46,340
table and that's pretty much how we live

919
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:50,150
today and the sad reality is that

920
00:41:59,920 --> 00:41:56,810
there's not that much of a an interest

921
00:42:02,920 --> 00:41:59,930
in on the part of people in my opinion

922
00:42:05,170 --> 00:42:02,930
to kind of like force the hand of of

923
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,180
these agencies to release this

924
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:07,760
information now we do get a lot of this

925
00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:09,830
from alternative media but really the

926
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:11,420
vast majority of people in this country

927
00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:14,450
in this country in particular are you

928
00:42:17,950 --> 00:42:15,830
know if you brought up some of the

929
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:17,960
topics that we talked about like on this

930
00:42:23,050 --> 00:42:19,730
show they wouldn't even know what you

931
00:42:26,290 --> 00:42:23,060
were talking about you know exactly yeah

932
00:42:28,030 --> 00:42:26,300
well now let me ask Peter I'm sure

933
00:42:30,910 --> 00:42:28,040
you're well aware that our friends

934
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:30,920
Richard Dolan and and Joseph Ferrell

935
00:42:36,850 --> 00:42:33,170
that Tim mentioned they they have spoken

936
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:36,860
about a third force and secret force in

937
00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:38,530
the world that they called a breakaway

938
00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:41,960
civilization that started perhaps with

939
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:44,150
the Nazis and their advanced technology

940
00:42:46,210 --> 00:42:45,770
and then was passed along to certain

941
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:46,220
secret

942
00:42:52,109 --> 00:42:49,849
groups and I know I'm after study I

943
00:42:54,700 --> 00:42:52,119
became further convinced that the

944
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:54,710
original moon program or space program

945
00:42:59,050 --> 00:42:57,650
was actually a three tiered program we

946
00:43:01,210 --> 00:42:59,060
had the Russians that were building

947
00:43:03,550 --> 00:43:01,220
heavy lift rockets and then we had the

948
00:43:05,710 --> 00:43:03,560
Americans that were building smaller

949
00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:05,720
rockets but that had very sophisticated

950
00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:09,380
guidance and control systems and I think

951
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:11,660
that the two were put together combined

952
00:43:16,750 --> 00:43:14,480
into a very effective space force that

953
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:16,760
we don't know about and has not been

954
00:43:22,540 --> 00:43:20,750
revealed to us as yet but what do you

955
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:22,550
think about this idea of a breakaway

956
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:24,890
civilization operating within the

957
00:43:32,430 --> 00:43:29,450
confines of our reality well I mean I I

958
00:43:34,750 --> 00:43:32,440
don't have a problem with that because I

959
00:43:38,430 --> 00:43:34,760
suggested at a conference a couple of

960
00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:38,440
years back on breakaway civilizations I

961
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:41,180
my reaction was well why why wouldn't

962
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:44,210
there be I mean if you know if there is

963
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:47,570
a possibility for four people who have

964
00:43:50,980 --> 00:43:49,130
this knowledge that we're talking about

965
00:43:52,690 --> 00:43:50,990
the access to this knowledge if there's

966
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:52,700
a possibility for them to utilize it for

967
00:43:59,500 --> 00:43:55,450
their own benefit in some way to create

968
00:44:00,849 --> 00:43:59,510
technology for them to find a way to for

969
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,859
instance get off the planet when the

970
00:44:04,660 --> 00:44:02,720
going got tough why wouldn't they do

971
00:44:07,150 --> 00:44:04,670
that why wouldn't people who had that

972
00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:07,160
power and ability develop a breakaway

973
00:44:12,370 --> 00:44:09,260
civilization it makes it perfect sense

974
00:44:15,070 --> 00:44:12,380
to me people especially of our

975
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:15,080
generation and and before who grew up

976
00:44:18,370 --> 00:44:17,210
with the horrors of World War two you

977
00:44:20,620 --> 00:44:18,380
know who saw well it was what people

978
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:20,630
were capable of realized that the Nazis

979
00:44:25,060 --> 00:44:22,970
were on the route to atomic weapons has

980
00:44:27,339 --> 00:44:25,070
where the Japanese the rumors are as

981
00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:27,349
well as ourselves and all the rest of it

982
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,750
I mean the Cold War everybody extremely

983
00:44:33,310 --> 00:44:31,040
nervous the whole planet can be

984
00:44:34,990 --> 00:44:33,320
destroyed in an instant I mean I was one

985
00:44:37,690 --> 00:44:35,000
of those kids who had to sit you know in

986
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:37,700
a school room with my hand over my neck

987
00:44:44,500 --> 00:44:39,440
and my head between my knees good thing

988
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:44,510
my ass goodbye write a newspaper over

989
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:48,530
there to catch the fallout yeah I mean

990
00:44:53,770 --> 00:44:49,970
we had to go through that so anybody

991
00:44:56,500 --> 00:44:53,780
with that you know understands the the

992
00:44:58,329 --> 00:44:56,510
the attractiveness of something like a

993
00:45:00,130 --> 00:44:58,339
breakaway civilization we have that

994
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:00,140
technology of course we did

995
00:45:05,740 --> 00:45:03,680
of course well is there any evidence

996
00:45:07,870 --> 00:45:05,750
that there's a small clique of people

997
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:07,880
who are trying to run the planet and I

998
00:45:13,330 --> 00:45:10,850
submit yes there is I cite my book on

999
00:45:14,770 --> 00:45:13,340
our culture history from a 2011 study by

1000
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:14,780
the Swiss Federal Institute of

1001
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,490
Technology and they studied 43,000

1002
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:20,960
multinational corporations and they

1003
00:45:26,590 --> 00:45:24,050
found that those 43,000 multinational

1004
00:45:29,410 --> 00:45:26,600
corporations were being controlled by

1005
00:45:31,300 --> 00:45:29,420
only a little more than 1,000 companies

1006
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:31,310
with interlocking ownerships and these

1007
00:45:38,740 --> 00:45:33,770
1,000 companies were then in turn

1008
00:45:40,780 --> 00:45:38,750
controlled by 147 firms mostly and then

1009
00:45:43,950 --> 00:45:40,790
these were controlled by about 20

1010
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:43,960
different banks all with interlocking

1011
00:45:50,140 --> 00:45:47,630
cand directorship and that these 20

1012
00:45:54,450 --> 00:45:50,150
banks control more than 60 percent of

1013
00:45:58,270 --> 00:45:54,460
all the global revenues now that is an

1014
00:46:01,390 --> 00:45:58,280
incredible concentration of financial

1015
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,400
power and of course how do they do this

1016
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:03,680
well they operate through very

1017
00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:06,370
little-known things such as the exchange

1018
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:09,110
Stabilization Fund a little office

1019
00:46:15,730 --> 00:46:11,090
within the Treasury Department that was

1020
00:46:19,950 --> 00:46:15,740
set up in 1934 and has been involved in

1021
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:19,960
CI drug trafficking iran-contra and even

1022
00:46:25,540 --> 00:46:22,730
charged with involvement in the Kennedy

1023
00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:25,550
assassination they control the Federal

1024
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:27,590
Reserve Bank of New York which in turn

1025
00:46:31,390 --> 00:46:29,090
controls the whole Federal Reserve

1026
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:31,400
System they handle the CIA's black

1027
00:46:36,250 --> 00:46:33,890
budget which is considerable and they

1028
00:46:38,410 --> 00:46:36,260
were the architect of the International

1029
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:38,420
Monetary Fund World Bank which are big

1030
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:41,330
you know control mechanisms today I mean

1031
00:46:47,170 --> 00:46:43,040
you have another NT known as the

1032
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:47,180
Financial Stability Board which we were

1033
00:46:53,590 --> 00:46:50,240
signed on to in 2006 by President Obama

1034
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:53,600
at the g20 conference and this is

1035
00:46:58,270 --> 00:46:55,610
composed of the central bankers from the

1036
00:47:02,340 --> 00:46:58,280
g20 nations the very same people that

1037
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:02,350
control all of these 40000 43,000

1038
00:47:08,130 --> 00:47:06,410
international corporations and it was

1039
00:47:10,750 --> 00:47:08,140
formerly the Financial Stability

1040
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:10,760
Committee of the old Bank for

1041
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:12,170
International Settlements

1042
00:47:17,350 --> 00:47:13,520
does that sound familiar

1043
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:17,360
Peter yes sir miss Betty bank you know

1044
00:47:24,490 --> 00:47:21,050
yep yep so that's very tight control and

1045
00:47:27,250 --> 00:47:24,500
and it's the financial control today

1046
00:47:30,310 --> 00:47:27,260
more so than the religion of the past

1047
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:30,320
entries but yet the two are intertwined

1048
00:47:35,470 --> 00:47:32,990
in fact if you think about it Jesus the

1049
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:35,480
Prince of Peace when was the only time

1050
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,490
he really got violent he got violent and

1051
00:47:41,140 --> 00:47:39,200
with the money changers and wherever

1052
00:47:44,590 --> 00:47:41,150
they at the bank no they were in the

1053
00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:44,600
temple and so money and religion have

1054
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:46,910
been the two primary control mechanisms

1055
00:47:53,860 --> 00:47:49,520
that had been using human populations

1056
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:53,870
since time immemorial that is so true

1057
00:48:02,530 --> 00:47:56,960
that is so true

1058
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:02,540
so Peter now let me throw a little bit

1059
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:07,310
to you since your latest book of course

1060
00:48:10,570 --> 00:48:08,660
is the Dark Lord

1061
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:10,580
HP Lovecraft Kenneth grant and the

1062
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,770
Typhon Ian tradition and magic which we

1063
00:48:17,350 --> 00:48:14,480
talked a little bit about the last time

1064
00:48:19,300 --> 00:48:17,360
you were on since I have gotten the book

1065
00:48:23,290 --> 00:48:19,310
in the meantime because it wasn't out

1066
00:48:26,110 --> 00:48:23,300
yet last time you were on this actually

1067
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:26,120
this book actually like touches on a lot

1068
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:27,710
of the things that we've just been

1069
00:48:35,620 --> 00:48:31,690
talking about like you know a cult

1070
00:48:40,510 --> 00:48:35,630
history to a certain extent also the

1071
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:40,520
idea of things going on behind the

1072
00:48:47,950 --> 00:48:43,210
scenes and you've commented in the past

1073
00:48:51,010 --> 00:48:47,960
that in you view the United States as

1074
00:48:53,380 --> 00:48:51,020
kind of like a haunted haunted nation

1075
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:53,390
that you said were haunted and we're

1076
00:48:59,410 --> 00:48:57,410
haunted not only by that past that has

1077
00:49:02,440 --> 00:48:59,420
been destroyed

1078
00:49:04,410 --> 00:49:02,450
you know in such an egregious manner you

1079
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:04,420
know through the genocide of the native

1080
00:49:08,530 --> 00:49:07,010
peoples here and through the destruction

1081
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:08,540
of their culture and history and all

1082
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,730
that sort of thing but also through the

1083
00:49:18,850 --> 00:49:13,280
very nefarious actions of our government

1084
00:49:20,550 --> 00:49:18,860
and the cover-ups and the the crimes

1085
00:49:25,570 --> 00:49:20,560
that have been committed over the years

1086
00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:25,580
to put us in that position and I guess

1087
00:49:31,690 --> 00:49:27,470
I'll put it to you Peter and

1088
00:49:33,970 --> 00:49:31,700
Jim you can chime in if you want to when

1089
00:49:38,050 --> 00:49:33,980
we look at the situation that we have

1090
00:49:39,849 --> 00:49:38,060
today and we actually take into account

1091
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:39,859
some of the things that we've been

1092
00:49:44,310 --> 00:49:41,510
talking about here how we've been under

1093
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:44,320
various different control systems and

1094
00:49:51,010 --> 00:49:48,530
how we've been managed and manipulated

1095
00:49:52,690 --> 00:49:51,020
much like sheep and I hate to use a term

1096
00:49:58,680 --> 00:49:52,700
you know because it's kind of cliched

1097
00:50:01,599 --> 00:49:58,690
but the we're like sheep being

1098
00:50:03,310 --> 00:50:01,609
Michelle's you know don't go over that

1099
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:03,320
way because you know there's wolves over

1100
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:05,000
there don't don't go down into that

1101
00:50:09,580 --> 00:50:08,240
Valley there because that's that's not a

1102
00:50:11,859 --> 00:50:09,590
good place for you to be you need to

1103
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:11,869
stay right here in this safe little pen

1104
00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:14,240
and and just go about your business

1105
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:16,940
munching your grass and you know we'll

1106
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:18,170
we'll take care of you make sure

1107
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:21,050
everything's all right but there seems

1108
00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:23,410
to be a lot of motion around the world

1109
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:27,200
outside of the United States at least in

1110
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:28,940
other countries where some people are

1111
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,730
starting to put up some resistance to

1112
00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:33,680
this sort of top-down management and

1113
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:37,670
forced management that's coming from the

1114
00:50:46,570 --> 00:50:40,609
elites and the people in charge so what

1115
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:46,580
I'd like to ask is is do you see this as

1116
00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:50,690
a trend that may continue in a positive

1117
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:52,700
vein that we may actually get to a point

1118
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:54,770
where you know the masses of the people

1119
00:50:59,020 --> 00:50:57,650
will actually start demanding truth and

1120
00:51:02,829 --> 00:50:59,030
justice and all the things that we've

1121
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:02,839
been denied well you know what I see

1122
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:04,640
just from observing what's been

1123
00:51:09,790 --> 00:51:05,930
happening in the world the last few

1124
00:51:12,730 --> 00:51:09,800
years the reason why I don't have a lot

1125
00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:12,740
of hope for our people is the fact that

1126
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:16,190
we are had would become so traumatized

1127
00:51:20,859 --> 00:51:18,050
by the events in the last 10 15 years

1128
00:51:24,430 --> 00:51:20,869
that especially on the economic side but

1129
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:24,440
throw in the the media terrorism and the

1130
00:51:28,329 --> 00:51:26,690
possibility of there may be another big

1131
00:51:30,099 --> 00:51:28,339
terrorist strike on the way and all that

1132
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:30,109
sort of thing where we're basically

1133
00:51:37,329 --> 00:51:33,920
being growl beaten to death by all the

1134
00:51:38,770 --> 00:51:37,339
bad news we're refining people in their

1135
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:38,780
sixties and seventies having lost their

1136
00:51:40,990 --> 00:51:40,609
pensions overnight we find people losing

1137
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:41,000
their

1138
00:51:47,170 --> 00:51:44,690
constantly so we are being distracted by

1139
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:47,180
our own financial difficulties our

1140
00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:49,070
economic difficulties to the extent that

1141
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:51,590
we're refusing to look at what's really

1142
00:51:56,770 --> 00:51:54,170
going on because the people that are all

1143
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,780
around us or I had immediate concerns or

1144
00:52:00,340 --> 00:51:58,400
their survival concerns and that's how

1145
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:00,350
you manipulate that's how you manage a

1146
00:52:05,620 --> 00:52:02,210
large population you threaten them with

1147
00:52:07,660 --> 00:52:05,630
a lack of survival we saw that happening

1148
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:07,670
in the 1920s the 1930s in Europe I mean

1149
00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:11,210
to make a lot of an obvious point so you

1150
00:52:14,650 --> 00:52:13,400
you have this idea that there's so much

1151
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:14,660
going on in the world of it's so

1152
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:17,330
negative in the other countries that

1153
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,890
we're talking about in North Africa the

1154
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:21,200
Middle East and parts of Asia where

1155
00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:22,730
there's been tremendous resistance

1156
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:25,400
towards the powers that be we're being

1157
00:52:29,110 --> 00:52:27,530
taught to look at these people people

1158
00:52:30,370 --> 00:52:29,120
who are not in the United States people

1159
00:52:32,590 --> 00:52:30,380
who are in other countries as being

1160
00:52:34,510 --> 00:52:32,600
somehow less than we are and therefore

1161
00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:34,520
that's why they're doing all of this you

1162
00:52:37,630 --> 00:52:35,900
know they're not the saint they're

1163
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:37,640
living in cultures that are quote

1164
00:52:40,450 --> 00:52:37,970
unquote

1165
00:52:41,650 --> 00:52:40,460
third-world and therefore you know look

1166
00:52:43,060 --> 00:52:41,660
at those poor people they're the ones

1167
00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:43,070
suffering so no matter what they say

1168
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:44,750
we're not going to pay attention to

1169
00:52:47,710 --> 00:52:46,640
because it's just them screaming and

1170
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:47,720
yelling and they don't know really

1171
00:52:51,780 --> 00:52:49,130
what's going on we're here in the United

1172
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:51,790
States we we have a different situation

1173
00:52:56,500 --> 00:52:54,170
we have a government of care support us

1174
00:53:03,040 --> 00:52:56,510
you know I had a hard time saying that

1175
00:53:04,990 --> 00:53:03,050
with a straight face we the government

1176
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:05,000
is saying trust us and we'll take care

1177
00:53:08,500 --> 00:53:06,770
of everything yes it looks pretty bleak

1178
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,510
right now yes the banks holding the

1179
00:53:12,970 --> 00:53:10,400
money yes there's two to three trillion

1180
00:53:14,890 --> 00:53:12,980
dollars in cash sitting in the back

1181
00:53:16,930 --> 00:53:14,900
corporations won't use and so they're

1182
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:16,940
ready which is why ever in the messed up

1183
00:53:20,860 --> 00:53:19,010
where yes all of that is true but we

1184
00:53:22,990 --> 00:53:20,870
have the solutions problems you know

1185
00:53:25,450 --> 00:53:23,000
those people in Greece those people in

1186
00:53:26,290 --> 00:53:25,460
in North Africa those people in Egypt

1187
00:53:29,020 --> 00:53:26,300
they'd you know

1188
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:29,030
okay they're you know what's going on

1189
00:53:33,310 --> 00:53:30,170
over there is what happens in those

1190
00:53:35,380 --> 00:53:33,320
countries now so trust us to keep you to

1191
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:35,390
keep us you know safe so there's no you

1192
00:53:39,310 --> 00:53:37,370
know Tigris where there's no Cairo

1193
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:39,320
happening at the United States this is

1194
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:40,850
what's going on we've created this

1195
00:53:45,340 --> 00:53:43,370
dichotomy this false dichotomy got those

1196
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:45,350
people rioting in the Middle East

1197
00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:46,730
those people rioting in North Africa

1198
00:53:50,980 --> 00:53:49,070
those people going not to take that you

1199
00:53:52,270 --> 00:53:50,990
know strew for so long they don't even

1200
00:53:54,370 --> 00:53:52,280
know who's throwing them at this point

1201
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:54,380
right they put the Muslim Brotherhood in

1202
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:54,770
need

1203
00:53:57,700 --> 00:53:56,210
you know they're still getting screwed

1204
00:53:58,330 --> 00:53:57,710
so they don't really know who's doing

1205
00:53:59,260 --> 00:53:58,340
this drawing

1206
00:54:00,310 --> 00:53:59,270
they just know they're getting screwed

1207
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:00,320
that's why they're there they're

1208
00:54:05,230 --> 00:54:02,930
screaming that's right here here in the

1209
00:54:07,060 --> 00:54:05,240
US you know we're not this is just this

1210
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:07,070
was you know inevitable this was an

1211
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:10,640
economic situation readjustment we think

1212
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:12,530
we're not you know actually the

1213
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:16,130
methodology was voiced several years ago

1214
00:54:21,010 --> 00:54:18,800
at listen to this quote why of course

1215
00:54:22,990 --> 00:54:21,020
the people don't want war that's

1216
00:54:24,940 --> 00:54:23,000
understood but after all it's the

1217
00:54:26,830 --> 00:54:24,950
leaders of the country who determined

1218
00:54:29,890 --> 00:54:26,840
the policy and it's always a simple

1219
00:54:31,780 --> 00:54:29,900
matter to drag the people alone voice or

1220
00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:31,790
no voice the people can always be

1221
00:54:35,740 --> 00:54:33,350
brought to the bidding of the leaders

1222
00:54:37,210 --> 00:54:35,750
it's easy all you have to do is tell

1223
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,220
them they're being attacked and

1224
00:54:42,310 --> 00:54:39,680
denounced the pacifist for lack of

1225
00:54:42,970 --> 00:54:42,320
patriotism and exposing the country to

1226
00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:42,980
danger

1227
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:45,350
I guess who said that Herman Goering

1228
00:54:51,070 --> 00:54:48,110
it's a Nuremberg trials the Nazi

1229
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Luftwaffe chief so they understood it

1230
00:54:55,660 --> 00:54:52,970
completely and in the new Fourth Reich

1231
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:55,670
they understand it too this is why in

1232
00:54:59,350 --> 00:54:57,680
World War two President Roosevelt says

1233
00:55:01,360 --> 00:54:59,360
the only thing we have to fear is fear

1234
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:01,370
itself let's roll up our sleeves let's

1235
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:04,310
get to work and today it's be fearful if

1236
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:07,040
an terrorist terrorist alert binds you

1237
00:55:10,870 --> 00:55:09,050
know watch out be whatever the

1238
00:55:12,790 --> 00:55:10,880
terrorists oh my god can they keep

1239
00:55:15,130 --> 00:55:12,800
everybody fearful off-balance so they

1240
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:15,140
can maintain total control and so we

1241
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:16,640
can't say anything when they start

1242
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:19,220
spying on us in our bedrooms spying on

1243
00:55:24,250 --> 00:55:21,710
us at our workplace and making us and

1244
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:24,260
grope our genitals in the airports it's

1245
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:26,810
it's incredible and we just put up with

1246
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:29,810
it well I got another quotation from you

1247
00:55:38,890 --> 00:55:34,310
if you have a moment yes miss loquacious

1248
00:55:40,810 --> 00:55:38,900
one of my favorites that the list of the

1249
00:55:43,150 --> 00:55:40,820
primitive simplicity of their minds they

1250
00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:43,160
more readily fall victims to the big

1251
00:55:47,230 --> 00:55:45,350
live in a small life since they

1252
00:55:49,090 --> 00:55:47,240
themselves often tell small lives and

1253
00:55:51,550 --> 00:55:49,100
little matters but would be ashamed to

1254
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:51,560
resort to large-scale falsehoods it

1255
00:55:55,390 --> 00:55:52,730
would never submit into their heads to

1256
00:55:57,010 --> 00:55:55,400
fabricate colossal untruths and they

1257
00:55:59,020 --> 00:55:57,020
would not believe that others could have

1258
00:56:02,350 --> 00:55:59,030
the impudence to distort the truth so

1259
00:56:04,660 --> 00:56:02,360
infamously the grossly imputed lie

1260
00:56:06,970 --> 00:56:04,670
always leaves traces behind it even

1261
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:06,980
after has been nailed down a fact which

1262
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:08,510
is known to all expert

1263
00:56:13,050 --> 00:56:10,370
buyers in this world and to all who

1264
00:56:16,270 --> 00:56:13,060
conspire together in the art of lying

1265
00:56:18,370 --> 00:56:16,280
and that's from mine cops that was

1266
00:56:20,340 --> 00:56:18,380
Hitler describing how the big live was

1267
00:56:23,290 --> 00:56:20,350
always more believable than a small lie

1268
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:23,300
and the OSS report on Hitler says the

1269
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:25,850
same thing his primary rules never allow

1270
00:56:30,010 --> 00:56:27,290
the poet to cool off

1271
00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:30,020
never admit a fault or wrong never

1272
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:31,910
concede there may be some good in your

1273
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:34,490
enemy never leave room for alternatives

1274
00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:36,890
never accept blame concentrate on one

1275
00:56:40,750 --> 00:56:38,720
enemy at a time and blame him for

1276
00:56:42,220 --> 00:56:40,760
everything that goes wrong people will

1277
00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:42,230
believe a big lie sooner than a little

1278
00:56:45,940 --> 00:56:44,270
one and if you repeat it frequently

1279
00:56:48,190 --> 00:56:45,950
enough people will sooner or later

1280
00:56:53,530 --> 00:56:48,200
believe it that was the Old West a

1281
00:56:57,490 --> 00:56:53,540
psychological report on Hitler and it

1282
00:56:59,230 --> 00:56:57,500
certainly does hey guys we need to take

1283
00:57:00,880 --> 00:56:59,240
a break right now so we're gonna take a

1284
00:57:02,650 --> 00:57:00,890
break for a couple a couple minutes and

1285
00:57:05,170 --> 00:57:02,660
we'll be back with more with Peter Levin

1286
00:57:08,050 --> 00:57:05,180
des and Jim Marrs here on the stench of

1287
00:57:09,850 --> 00:57:08,060
truth radio show and so stay tuned

1288
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:09,860
through the through the breaks and we'll

1289
00:57:41,339 --> 00:57:30,870
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1318
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back to the central truth radio show

1319
00:59:08,980 --> 00:59:06,410
here on the inception radio network I of

1320
00:59:12,250 --> 00:59:08,990
course I'm your host Ted torvik and I

1321
00:59:13,780 --> 00:59:12,260
have as my guests this evening the

1322
00:59:17,140 --> 00:59:13,790
esteemed Jim Marrs

1323
00:59:21,130 --> 00:59:17,150
and the equally esteemed Peter La Venta

1324
00:59:24,970 --> 00:59:21,140
both historians scholars and authors who

1325
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:24,980
have brought us a wealth of material on

1326
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:28,160
a vast array of subjects I did not give

1327
00:59:32,980 --> 00:59:30,290
Peter a proper introduction since he

1328
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:32,990
joined the show a little bit late but if

1329
00:59:38,830 --> 00:59:35,650
you simply go over to Peter Levin does

1330
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:38,840
Amazon page you can see his books there

1331
00:59:42,910 --> 00:59:40,970
and I'll just read off a list of them

1332
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,920
very quickly the latest book is the Dark

1333
00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:45,200
Lord HP Lovecraft Kenneth grant and the

1334
00:59:50,830 --> 00:59:48,190
Typhon Ian tradition and magic rat line

1335
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:50,840
Soviet spies Nazi priests and the

1336
00:59:55,210 --> 00:59:53,210
disappearance of Adolf Hitler unholy

1337
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:55,220
alliance a history of Nazi involvement

1338
01:00:00,070 --> 00:59:58,010
with the occult the angel and sorcerer

1339
01:00:01,870 --> 01:00:00,080
the remarkable story of the occult

1340
01:00:05,530 --> 01:00:01,880
origins of Mormonism and the rise of

1341
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:05,540
Mormons in America of course the the

1342
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:07,330
triple threat the sinister forces

1343
01:00:13,780 --> 01:00:11,330
trilogy which is one of the best series

1344
01:00:17,460 --> 01:00:13,790
of books written as far as I'm concerned

1345
01:00:20,650 --> 01:00:17,470
it's a absolute must-have for everybody

1346
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:20,660
for who is looking into a cult in hidden

1347
01:00:24,490 --> 01:00:22,310
history and that sort of thing in in

1348
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:24,500
America in particular American history

1349
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:27,680
also tantric temples eurosam magic in

1350
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:29,990
Java stairway to heaven Chinese

1351
01:00:35,980 --> 01:00:32,210
alchemists Jewish Kabbalists and the art

1352
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:35,990
of spiritual transformation and let's

1353
01:00:40,090 --> 01:00:38,090
see what else did I forget the secret

1354
01:00:41,500 --> 01:00:40,100
temple Masons mysteries and the founding

1355
01:00:45,010 --> 01:00:41,510
of America

1356
01:00:49,210 --> 01:00:45,020
and the Mao of business gorilla trade

1357
01:00:59,560 --> 01:00:49,220
techniques for the new China and let's

1358
01:01:01,960 --> 01:00:59,570
see did I forget anything Peter and of

1359
01:01:04,630 --> 01:01:01,970
course the Jim Marrs can be found that

1360
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:04,640
Jim Marrs thought calm and simply click

1361
01:01:09,940 --> 01:01:06,770
on the books icon at the top of the page

1362
01:01:11,859 --> 01:01:09,950
and you will find all of Jim's books and

1363
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:11,869
of course his latest book is our

1364
01:01:17,410 --> 01:01:14,090
occulted history do the global elite

1365
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:17,420
conceal ancient aliens the terror

1366
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:20,000
conspiracy and the terror conspiracy

1367
01:01:26,380 --> 01:01:23,090
revisited the trillion-dollar conspiracy

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01:01:30,790 --> 01:01:26,390
above top secret the rise of the fourth

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01:01:33,490 --> 01:01:30,800
reich the sighs spies the true story of

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america's psychic spy program ruled by

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01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:36,760
secret excuse me ruled by secrecy

1372
01:01:42,300 --> 01:01:39,710
crossfire the book that was the basis

1373
01:01:48,130 --> 01:01:42,310
for the main basis for the movie JFK

1374
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:48,140
alien agenda and The Sisterhood of the

1375
01:01:56,050 --> 01:01:51,770
rose did I forget anything by you Jim I

1376
01:01:58,140 --> 01:01:56,060
think that pretty well caught it while

1377
01:02:03,070 --> 01:01:58,150
we're here with Peter I would like to

1378
01:02:05,620 --> 01:02:03,080
ask Peter if if he is familiar with a

1379
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:05,630
book that's out now and called about

1380
01:02:11,470 --> 01:02:07,730
Hitler and his possible escape to South

1381
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:11,480
America called Great Wolf are you

1382
01:02:16,450 --> 01:02:13,970
familiar with that one Peter I sure AM

1383
01:02:18,490 --> 01:02:16,460
great well I was just wondering you know

1384
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:18,500
according to this I'm fairly impressed

1385
01:02:25,359 --> 01:02:22,160
with the two authors Simon Dunstan and

1386
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:25,369
Gerrard Williams both of them seem to

1387
01:02:29,620 --> 01:02:27,410
have very credentials for very solid

1388
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:29,630
credentials and according to them they

1389
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:33,170
three wells nail it down it that Hitler

1390
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:35,359
escaped the war went to you know by by

1391
01:02:40,450 --> 01:02:37,760
ship by submarine and finally ended up

1392
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:40,460
in San Carlos de Bariloche

1393
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:44,480
on the border of Argentina and Chile and

1394
01:02:48,670 --> 01:02:46,970
I was just wondering what were your

1395
01:02:50,790 --> 01:02:48,680
thoughts on this do you concur with this

1396
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:50,800
do you think they're off base or what

1397
01:02:55,210 --> 01:02:54,530
well I have a competing book Jim so I

1398
01:03:00,370 --> 01:02:55,220
don't want to

1399
01:03:02,740 --> 01:03:00,380
with them too much I have a book out

1400
01:03:04,750 --> 01:03:02,750
called ratline in which I also explode

1401
01:03:08,530 --> 01:03:04,760
the myth that Hitler committed suicide

1402
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:08,540
at the bunker on April 30th 45 I mean I

1403
01:03:12,430 --> 01:03:09,890
this is an example but we've been

1404
01:03:15,130 --> 01:03:12,440
talking about we just accepted you know

1405
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:15,140
because our leaders told us that Hitler

1406
01:03:18,940 --> 01:03:16,970
committed suicide on that day that you

1407
01:03:21,069 --> 01:03:18,950
know end of story

1408
01:03:23,470 --> 01:03:21,079
but when you look at it with any degree

1409
01:03:24,790 --> 01:03:23,480
of skepticism we're just looking at just

1410
01:03:26,620 --> 01:03:24,800
look for the evidence you'll find there

1411
01:03:28,990 --> 01:03:26,630
is betting there's absolutely no

1412
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:29,000
forensic evidence that Hitler died in

1413
01:03:32,170 --> 01:03:31,490
Germany after the war is nothing the

1414
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:32,180
Russians

1415
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:36,290
claimed they had Hitler's foes we all

1416
01:03:42,339 --> 01:03:39,440
know a proof that it wasn't they they

1417
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:42,349
buried and Hitler's and Ava's body dug

1418
01:03:46,390 --> 01:03:44,510
it up five or six times in East Germany

1419
01:03:49,210 --> 01:03:46,400
before they finally buried what was

1420
01:03:50,650 --> 01:03:49,220
supposed to be his body in Magdeburg and

1421
01:03:55,089 --> 01:03:50,660
what was then his Germany and then

1422
01:03:57,450 --> 01:03:55,099
dubbed after 1970 and burned it with no

1423
01:04:00,339 --> 01:03:57,460
explanation you know all kinds of

1424
01:04:03,460 --> 01:04:00,349
happened around Hitler and suppose it's

1425
01:04:06,220 --> 01:04:03,470
suicide Hugh trevor-roper the guy who

1426
01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:06,230
gave us a story historian who sold us

1427
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:08,569
the story so because he was ordered to

1428
01:04:13,540 --> 01:04:11,930
do so by mi6 all right they said we need

1429
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:13,550
a story because Stalin keeps dreaming

1430
01:04:17,380 --> 01:04:15,440
that we have Hitler hidden somewhere so

1431
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:17,390
you had three months go running around

1432
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,730
you don't speak German you don't have

1433
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,920
access to anything or anybody but we

1434
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:23,359
need you to prove that Hitler committed

1435
01:04:28,839 --> 01:04:25,490
suicide so he went and talked to a bunch

1436
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:28,849
of Nazis and what possible reason would

1437
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:35,210
they have to lie about it to protect

1438
01:04:51,069 --> 01:04:49,490
their beloved fuel and trevor-roper took

1439
01:04:53,290 --> 01:04:51,079
all of it at face value and said yeah I

1440
01:04:55,569 --> 01:04:53,300
guess he committed suicide he bit into a

1441
01:04:57,339 --> 01:04:55,579
cyanide capsule and blew himself away

1442
01:04:59,230 --> 01:04:57,349
and shot himself in the head at the same

1443
01:05:02,950 --> 01:04:59,240
time and by the way he had Parkinson's

1444
01:05:04,420 --> 01:05:02,960
so he had a tremor it's you know amazing

1445
01:05:07,150 --> 01:05:04,430
he could have aimed the gun anywhere

1446
01:05:08,620 --> 01:05:07,160
except that his head and all of the

1447
01:05:11,230 --> 01:05:08,630
stuff the whole thing was about

1448
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:11,240
so when i smite learned that when i saw

1449
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:14,210
that i said well you know if we can't

1450
01:05:18,550 --> 01:05:16,490
believe that then what can't we believe

1451
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:18,560
I mean what is the truth you know what

1452
01:05:22,780 --> 01:05:20,210
would really did take place at this

1453
01:05:26,170 --> 01:05:22,790
major cornerstone of 20th century

1454
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:26,180
history Hitler's 1945 suicide in Berlin

1455
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:27,170
was Maeda

1456
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:28,880
was part of a British intelligence

1457
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:32,210
operation called Operation nursery by

1458
01:05:36,100 --> 01:05:34,010
the way because for all children right

1459
01:05:38,260 --> 01:05:36,110
so they can cope with this story this is

1460
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:38,270
the fairy tale they give it to us we

1461
01:05:42,970 --> 01:05:40,250
believe it except that not everybody

1462
01:05:44,770 --> 01:05:42,980
believed it I didn't believe it jailer

1463
01:05:46,510 --> 01:05:44,780
Hoover didn't believe it he'd maintained

1464
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:46,520
the file on Hitler well into the 1960s

1465
01:05:51,220 --> 01:05:48,770
CIA maintains file I mean they were

1466
01:05:53,830 --> 01:05:51,230
keeping record of Hitler's ID mostly in

1467
01:05:55,420 --> 01:05:53,840
South America so I don't think the guys

1468
01:05:57,610 --> 01:05:55,430
are totally off-base I think there's a

1469
01:05:59,320 --> 01:05:57,620
lot of evidence obviously that I believe

1470
01:06:01,690 --> 01:05:59,330
at this point but there's good evidence

1471
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:01,700
he did not commit suicide he survived

1472
01:06:06,340 --> 01:06:03,650
the war then he and Ava Braun both

1473
01:06:12,460 --> 01:06:06,350
survived the war yeah we have to

1474
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:12,470
remember that nobody do exist right so

1475
01:06:16,090 --> 01:06:14,240
if you got an old guy and his young

1476
01:06:17,530 --> 01:06:16,100
blonde there you know maybe the old guy

1477
01:06:19,060 --> 01:06:17,540
has shape up his mustache and he has a

1478
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:19,070
blanket over his shoulders he's in a

1479
01:06:23,260 --> 01:06:21,170
wheelchair being pushed by this blonde

1480
01:06:31,930 --> 01:06:23,270
nurse no one's gonna think this is Adolf

1481
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:31,940
Hitler right let me tell you a very

1482
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:34,450
interesting story here this led to your

1483
01:06:38,890 --> 01:06:36,050
district

1484
01:06:41,590 --> 01:06:38,900
my literary agent in New York it was

1485
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:41,600
very good friends with Paul Manning who

1486
01:06:48,190 --> 01:06:44,930
was a reporter for The New York Times

1487
01:06:50,350 --> 01:06:48,200
he's dead now but he wrote a really good

1488
01:06:52,990 --> 01:06:50,360
book which I know Peters familiar with

1489
01:06:55,450 --> 01:06:53,000
called Martin Bormann Nazi in exile and

1490
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:55,460
he detailed the business dealings the

1491
01:06:59,620 --> 01:06:57,410
banking dealings and the fact that

1492
01:07:02,080 --> 01:06:59,630
Borman escaped went to South America

1493
01:07:07,150 --> 01:07:02,090
that seems to be almost beyond question

1494
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:07,160
despite the belated skeleton that they

1495
01:07:15,820 --> 01:07:12,050
claimed they found in Germany but he

1496
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:15,830
actually according to my agent as we

1497
01:07:19,570 --> 01:07:17,570
talk with Paul Manning he said Manning

1498
01:07:22,130 --> 01:07:19,580
actually at one point and I think this

1499
01:07:25,849 --> 01:07:22,140
was probably in the maybe the

1500
01:07:28,819 --> 01:07:25,859
early 70s or late 60s was actually

1501
01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:28,829
invited and went to Argentina to have a

1502
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:31,849
sit-down meeting with Martin Bormann

1503
01:07:38,049 --> 01:07:34,410
because apparently Borman was actually

1504
01:07:41,029 --> 01:07:38,059
kind of proud of the international Nazi

1505
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:41,039
organization that he had put together at

1506
01:07:44,329 --> 01:07:42,930
the end of World War two and that was

1507
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,339
still functioning and it's probably

1508
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:46,319
still functioning to a certain extent

1509
01:07:52,009 --> 01:07:49,380
today but when he got to South America

1510
01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:52,019
Manning said he was not able to have

1511
01:07:56,809 --> 01:07:54,539
this meeting because Heinrich Mueller

1512
01:07:59,769 --> 01:07:56,819
who had been head of the Nazi Gestapo

1513
01:08:02,269 --> 01:07:59,779
and was in charge of security down there

1514
01:08:04,490 --> 01:08:02,279
Scott's the idea and said no you're not

1515
01:08:06,859 --> 01:08:04,500
going to do that but according to my

1516
01:08:09,049 --> 01:08:06,869
agent Paul Manning told him that

1517
01:08:13,779 --> 01:08:09,059
although he did not get to meet Martin

1518
01:08:17,059 --> 01:08:13,789
Bormann he did meet Eva Braun in

1519
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:17,069
Argentina and either the late sixties

1520
01:08:20,599 --> 01:08:19,020
early seventies well if Ava was there

1521
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:20,609
then there's every reason to believe

1522
01:08:25,999 --> 01:08:23,489
that Hitler may have been there too well

1523
01:08:27,860 --> 01:08:26,009
there had a deserve ID and she was very

1524
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,870
much part of the sonoran suicide

1525
01:08:32,959 --> 01:08:29,759
scenario right they were sitting side by

1526
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:32,969
side on the couch the famous couch in

1527
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:34,799
the bunker according to the so-called

1528
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:37,199
eyewitnesses so if she survived we know

1529
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,880
the other types of odds I mean it just

1530
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:40,880
you know there's no doubt absolutely

1531
01:08:46,459 --> 01:08:43,770
well you talk about the eyewitnesses if

1532
01:08:48,019 --> 01:08:46,469
you look real closely apparently and

1533
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:48,029
correct me if I'm wrong about this but I

1534
01:08:52,459 --> 01:08:50,850
think he told everybody basically or

1535
01:08:55,809 --> 01:08:52,469
everybody kinder said he was going to

1536
01:08:58,039 --> 01:08:55,819
commit suicide and then he tells Borman

1537
01:09:00,769 --> 01:08:58,049
when you hear a shot or when it's all

1538
01:09:02,899 --> 01:09:00,779
over wait 15 minutes before you come in

1539
01:09:06,189 --> 01:09:02,909
whatever that would been about right and

1540
01:09:09,289 --> 01:09:06,199
then so then they hear a shot and then

1541
01:09:11,959 --> 01:09:09,299
they wait - 15 minutes Borman goes in by

1542
01:09:14,899 --> 01:09:11,969
himself he comes back out and says okay

1543
01:09:18,590 --> 01:09:14,909
if you're is dead and so is Ava and so

1544
01:09:20,090 --> 01:09:18,600
then he gets the chauffeur and some of

1545
01:09:22,340 --> 01:09:20,100
these other Nazis they were in there to

1546
01:09:23,809 --> 01:09:22,350
come in and get the bodies but according

1547
01:09:26,329 --> 01:09:23,819
them and they went in there and the body

1548
01:09:28,939 --> 01:09:26,339
has has been as a blanket thrown over

1549
01:09:30,649 --> 01:09:28,949
their rug so they all pick up the body

1550
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:30,659
and they haul it up into the courtyard

1551
01:09:35,539 --> 01:09:32,880
there where they put them set the bodies

1552
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:35,549
on fire but in other words if it's

1553
01:09:41,569 --> 01:09:38,940
the true account then even the Nazis who

1554
01:09:43,819 --> 01:09:41,579
handle the body did not really ever see

1555
01:09:46,129 --> 01:09:43,829
for certain that that was Hitler Naver

1556
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:46,139
they just carry two bodies up there

1557
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:48,809
that's exactly right you know and I go

1558
01:09:54,379 --> 01:09:52,400
one further than the story in gray wolf

1559
01:09:57,979 --> 01:09:54,389
just for the point of view of

1560
01:10:02,870 --> 01:09:57,989
practicality we know in July 44 there

1561
01:10:05,419 --> 01:10:02,880
was a faint again he didn't trust his

1562
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:05,429
own generals right he couldn't trust

1563
01:10:08,899 --> 01:10:07,170
where Hitler was trying to cut a side

1564
01:10:10,850 --> 01:10:08,909
deal Goering was trying to cut a side

1565
01:10:14,030 --> 01:10:10,860
deal Goering was making himself to do

1566
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:14,040
with your you know by Fiat basically he

1567
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:15,090
couldn't trust anybody

1568
01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:18,000
and by the point of my own book Brad

1569
01:10:22,879 --> 01:10:21,000
line was why would he have gone where

1570
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:22,889
all the other Nazis went all the people

1571
01:10:27,260 --> 01:10:24,329
that he couldn't trust why would he

1572
01:10:30,290 --> 01:10:27,270
exposed himself to the perfidy for the

1573
01:10:32,740 --> 01:10:30,300
betrayal the treachery of the people

1574
01:10:35,839 --> 01:10:32,750
that had proven to him but they were not

1575
01:10:37,580 --> 01:10:35,849
trustworthy in my book the reason I

1576
01:10:40,220 --> 01:10:37,590
started writing about this was because I

1577
01:10:42,589 --> 01:10:40,230
had heard a rumor that Hitler had

1578
01:10:45,859 --> 01:10:42,599
actually made it as far as Asia in his

1579
01:10:48,049 --> 01:10:45,869
escape attempt I found this I found some

1580
01:10:49,939 --> 01:10:48,059
evidence some hard documented evidence

1581
01:10:51,530 --> 01:10:49,949
that the American forces were looking

1582
01:10:54,169 --> 01:10:51,540
for him in Japan after they had gone

1583
01:10:55,549 --> 01:10:54,179
into Japan they were they had a

1584
01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:55,559
detachment of guys to go looking for

1585
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,260
Hitler in Japan they didn't find him but

1586
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:00,000
there was a German community in Japan

1587
01:11:03,859 --> 01:11:01,770
that would have welcomed him and kept

1588
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:03,869
him safe and then I did more research

1589
01:11:10,459 --> 01:11:07,199
and came up with this idea based upon

1590
01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:10,469
local knowledge in Indonesia everybody

1591
01:11:13,459 --> 01:11:11,820
seemed to believe that Hitler had made a

1592
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:13,469
path forward to an island in the

1593
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:15,090
Indonesian archipelago has sounds

1594
01:11:18,890 --> 01:11:17,610
far-fetched it sounds totally bizarre

1595
01:11:20,810 --> 01:11:18,900
and totally beyond the realm of

1596
01:11:28,220 --> 01:11:20,820
possibility which is why I kind of liked

1597
01:11:30,350 --> 01:11:28,230
it and you know I've been to the country

1598
01:11:32,450 --> 01:11:30,360
I've been to the grave site where he

1599
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:32,460
supposedly is buried and there are so

1600
01:11:36,169 --> 01:11:34,170
many anomalies there there is so much

1601
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:36,179
mystery surrounding this man who died in

1602
01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:39,449
1970 just before the Russians dug up the

1603
01:11:45,530 --> 01:11:42,420
body in Magdeburg East Germany really

1604
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:45,540
only we do despair we have an old German

1605
01:11:51,500 --> 01:11:49,170
or actually an old Austria who dies yeah

1606
01:11:53,959 --> 01:11:51,510
this country in Indonesia is buried

1607
01:11:56,060 --> 01:11:53,969
there with the tombstone that does not

1608
01:11:59,930 --> 01:11:56,070
have the date of death or the date of

1609
01:12:03,860 --> 01:11:59,940
birth on it because that mr. Park

1610
01:12:05,570 --> 01:12:03,870
nice sure AM yeah okay so here's this

1611
01:12:08,060 --> 01:12:05,580
this story running parallel to

1612
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:08,070
everything else you know and I'm you

1613
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:10,320
know it makes x1 he would have gone to a

1614
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:11,610
country like that because he would have

1615
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:13,170
brought someplace where words nobody

1616
01:12:18,169 --> 01:12:16,320
need to turn him in someplace for even

1617
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,179
the Israeli commandos would get at him

1618
01:12:23,270 --> 01:12:20,400
in a Muslim country that was well

1619
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:23,280
protected where any foreigner who showed

1620
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:24,770
up on the island would be immediately

1621
01:12:28,340 --> 01:12:26,730
recognizable as a foreigner I somebody

1622
01:12:31,580 --> 01:12:28,350
should be there I mean it made a lot of

1623
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:31,590
sense to me so I I did read gray wolf

1624
01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:34,650
and I understand all these reasons

1625
01:12:40,220 --> 01:12:37,560
because of a gate from why they felt it

1626
01:12:41,630 --> 01:12:40,230
was Argentine very low let's say

1627
01:12:43,370 --> 01:12:41,640
certainly makes a lot of sense I've been

1628
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:43,380
to that area also of course I was down

1629
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:44,850
into the chilly Argentine region

1630
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:47,850
researching unholy alliance so if it's a

1631
01:12:53,060 --> 01:12:50,489
huge not to stay underground in that

1632
01:12:55,130 --> 01:12:53,070
part of the world that's there for good

1633
01:12:57,470 --> 01:12:55,140
8090 years or more since long before the

1634
01:12:59,479 --> 01:12:57,480
war but there was a Nazi underground in

1635
01:13:02,870 --> 01:12:59,489
Indonesia as well since before the war

1636
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:02,880
since the 1920s that people generally

1637
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:05,040
not aware of and u-boat traffic that

1638
01:13:08,390 --> 01:13:06,690
went there that's a well documented new

1639
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:08,400
boat traffic between Europe and and

1640
01:13:13,790 --> 01:13:11,610
Indonesia as well plus the whole idea of

1641
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:13,800
the gold was another whole story was the

1642
01:13:18,260 --> 01:13:15,570
black eagle trust of the Black Eagle

1643
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:18,270
Gold that wound up in Southeast Asia -

1644
01:13:22,580 --> 01:13:20,489
so speaking of hidden mysteries there's

1645
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,590
just a lot of gold that's been buried

1646
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:24,960
after World War two which have ever hit

1647
01:13:28,910 --> 01:13:26,880
the market with the price of gold

1648
01:13:34,700 --> 01:13:28,920
flapping like a stone that's another

1649
01:13:37,130 --> 01:13:34,710
topic so I'm really glad to have both

1650
01:13:39,260 --> 01:13:37,140
you on here to pick your brains it seems

1651
01:13:41,500 --> 01:13:39,270
like so many things lead back to world

1652
01:13:45,169 --> 01:13:41,510
war 2 especially things that are very

1653
01:13:46,340 --> 01:13:45,179
much integral parts of our society and

1654
01:13:49,490 --> 01:13:46,350
things that we're actually dealing with

1655
01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:49,500
society-wide financially you know all

1656
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:51,540
these all these sorts of things lead

1657
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:53,370
back to world war ii now you have two

1658
01:13:57,439 --> 01:13:55,290
things that that I'd like to throw out

1659
01:13:58,790 --> 01:13:57,449
to you first and I'd like both of you to

1660
01:14:01,250 --> 01:13:58,800
comment on this because you're both

1661
01:14:03,020 --> 01:14:01,260
you've both done research on the Nazis

1662
01:14:04,940 --> 01:14:03,030
on World War two and this sort of

1663
01:14:08,930 --> 01:14:04,950
but I don't think I've ever asked either

1664
01:14:11,900 --> 01:14:08,940
view about Rudolf Hess and there's a lot

1665
01:14:15,770 --> 01:14:11,910
of there have been several books written

1666
01:14:19,610 --> 01:14:15,780
about him and you know exactly what it

1667
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:19,620
was he was doing and you know alleging

1668
01:14:23,810 --> 01:14:21,540
that the Rudolf Hess that was kept in

1669
01:14:26,030 --> 01:14:23,820
Spandau prison was not the real Rudolf

1670
01:14:27,530 --> 01:14:26,040
Hess and then of course if he wasn't

1671
01:14:30,140 --> 01:14:27,540
then you know that brings up a whole

1672
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:30,150
nother you know set of questions like

1673
01:14:34,180 --> 01:14:32,130
where the hell is the real Rudolf Hess

1674
01:14:38,510 --> 01:14:34,190
for one thing and what happened to him

1675
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:38,520
so first I'll ask you Jim first and then

1676
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:41,250
Peter if you would jump in if you have

1677
01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:44,250
any idea about this whole Rudolf Hess

1678
01:14:49,460 --> 01:14:46,710
business and why it was so important to

1679
01:14:53,060 --> 01:14:49,470
keep him in a prison by himself that was

1680
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:53,070
overseen by all four of the Allied major

1681
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:56,970
powers you know that America the UK

1682
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:00,080
France and the Soviet Union all had

1683
01:15:06,410 --> 01:15:04,140
joint custodial responsibilities was

1684
01:15:09,140 --> 01:15:06,420
Spandau prison and he was kept in

1685
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:09,150
isolation until he died supposedly

1686
01:15:14,300 --> 01:15:11,490
killing himself if I believe correctly

1687
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:14,310
he hung himself after waiting you know

1688
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:18,570
decades to do so so Jim if you have

1689
01:15:23,570 --> 01:15:21,210
something you'd like to add about rudolf

1690
01:15:25,700 --> 01:15:23,580
hess I'd love to know because that's

1691
01:15:26,930 --> 01:15:25,710
just one of those enigmas of history

1692
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:26,940
especially from World War two that

1693
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:30,090
really really just sticks in my craw for

1694
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:31,530
some reason I can't really figure out

1695
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,800
the deal with Rudolf Hess okay well my

1696
01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:36,480
take on it is simply there's first

1697
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:38,550
there's some intriguing evidence that

1698
01:15:43,100 --> 01:15:41,010
suggests that the man who died and and

1699
01:15:44,930 --> 01:15:43,110
spend out was not even the real Rudolf

1700
01:15:48,290 --> 01:15:44,940
Hess and that may be the reason they had

1701
01:15:51,500 --> 01:15:48,300
to murder him because it seems like that

1702
01:15:54,710 --> 01:15:51,510
there was a worldwide effort to free

1703
01:15:56,510 --> 01:15:54,720
Rudolf Hess I think or was long over and

1704
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:56,520
most people said this ridiculous keep

1705
01:16:00,320 --> 01:15:58,800
this old man there and and you know and

1706
01:16:02,180 --> 01:16:00,330
so there was a movement that was gaining

1707
01:16:03,380 --> 01:16:02,190
strength you ought to go ahead and

1708
01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:03,390
release him oh of course if they were

1709
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:05,610
released him then he's available to the

1710
01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:07,260
public could start talking and no

1711
01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:09,780
telling what he might say but whether or

1712
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:11,940
not he was the real one or not not I do

1713
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:13,890
find it hard to believe that someone

1714
01:16:19,550 --> 01:16:16,260
would volunteer to spend

1715
01:16:23,900 --> 01:16:19,560
their life in isolation in the prison

1716
01:16:26,660 --> 01:16:23,910
good - to substitute for a war criminal

1717
01:16:30,290 --> 01:16:26,670
but back to the original story I think

1718
01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:30,300
that this was a legitimate effort to

1719
01:16:34,730 --> 01:16:32,910
combine Britain and Germany in the war

1720
01:16:37,550 --> 01:16:34,740
against communism which was something

1721
01:16:39,020 --> 01:16:37,560
Hitler wrote about in man coffin and all

1722
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:39,030
the way through that's why I allowed the

1723
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:41,040
British army to escape at Dunkirk and

1724
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:43,770
that's why he never did until late in

1725
01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:47,250
the war when he started ordering carpet

1726
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:49,860
bombing of England he really thought

1727
01:16:52,220 --> 01:16:51,810
that he could bring England in as an

1728
01:16:55,100 --> 01:16:52,230
ally

1729
01:16:58,370 --> 01:16:55,110
and of course he did not recognize the

1730
01:17:01,400 --> 01:16:58,380
tenacity of Winston Churchill and the

1731
01:17:04,310 --> 01:17:01,410
fact that the ruling elite that

1732
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:04,320
Churchill represented had turned against

1733
01:17:09,620 --> 01:17:07,770
him because early on they had not only

1734
01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:09,630
supported Hitler they had actually

1735
01:17:15,820 --> 01:17:12,030
helped create Hitler with loans from the

1736
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:15,830
Bank of England and from loans from

1737
01:17:22,430 --> 01:17:18,210
British companies and American companies

1738
01:17:24,460 --> 01:17:22,440
AT&T IBM Ford Motor Company stand at all

1739
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:24,470
plus of course the big German

1740
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:27,090
corporations and I thought he had I

1741
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:29,400
think he believed that he had kind of a

1742
01:17:33,470 --> 01:17:31,530
green light to go ahead with his plans

1743
01:17:35,330 --> 01:17:33,480
for expansion and and didn't realize

1744
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:35,340
until too late that they'd turned

1745
01:17:42,620 --> 01:17:38,250
against him and as a result the flight

1746
01:17:44,900 --> 01:17:42,630
of Hess was I think a condoned operation

1747
01:17:47,450 --> 01:17:44,910
really measures from it actually built

1748
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:47,460
the Messerschmitt 110 especially for

1749
01:17:51,650 --> 01:17:49,890
Hess they gave him training of how to

1750
01:17:53,870 --> 01:17:51,660
fly the thing and the whole idea was he

1751
01:17:56,510 --> 01:17:53,880
was to fly to England and land at the

1752
01:17:58,460 --> 01:17:56,520
home of a British aristocrat one of the

1753
01:18:00,620 --> 01:17:58,470
members of the royal family and they

1754
01:18:04,700 --> 01:18:00,630
were going to reach an agreement as to a

1755
01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:04,710
end of the war a ceasefire and then they

1756
01:18:09,260 --> 01:18:06,900
would conclude a peace agreement between

1757
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:09,270
Germany and Britain and then they could

1758
01:18:14,050 --> 01:18:12,000
both turn to face Russia which Hitler

1759
01:18:17,570 --> 01:18:14,060
always said was going to be the prime

1760
01:18:21,020 --> 01:18:17,580
enemy but the thing the thing just it

1761
01:18:24,710 --> 01:18:21,030
just got botched he even though he'd

1762
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:24,720
been trained on this Emme 110 he kind of

1763
01:18:30,189 --> 01:18:27,690
lost his way and then he couldn't find

1764
01:18:32,350 --> 01:18:30,199
the house of the aristocrat

1765
01:18:34,930 --> 01:18:32,360
and then he ran out of gas and he was

1766
01:18:37,989 --> 01:18:34,940
forced to parachute out and he broke his

1767
01:18:40,089 --> 01:18:37,999
ankle when he came down and a British

1768
01:18:41,979 --> 01:18:40,099
farmer with a pitchfork went up and

1769
01:18:42,729 --> 01:18:41,989
captured him and turned him over to the

1770
01:18:44,949 --> 01:18:42,739
Home Guard

1771
01:18:47,469 --> 01:18:44,959
well now that what was going to be a big

1772
01:18:50,229 --> 01:18:47,479
secret operation was now blown wide open

1773
01:18:52,419 --> 01:18:50,239
and everyone had to disavow him

1774
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:52,429
Churchill of course said you know we've

1775
01:18:57,819 --> 01:18:55,570
caught this guy he's just nuts and then

1776
01:19:01,239 --> 01:18:57,829
because the aristocrats didn't want

1777
01:19:03,459 --> 01:19:01,249
their complicity known and then Hitler

1778
01:19:05,799 --> 01:19:03,469
of course he had to disavow it say well

1779
01:19:07,660 --> 01:19:05,809
he just went nuts and that's why I just

1780
01:19:11,649 --> 01:19:07,670
seems to be an oddity of history but

1781
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:11,659
it's actually not it was a a plot to

1782
01:19:17,140 --> 01:19:15,050
bring in England in on the war along

1783
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:17,150
with Germany and by the way a few years

1784
01:19:22,779 --> 01:19:20,570
ago it surfaced that it was in the

1785
01:19:26,259 --> 01:19:22,789
mainstream there's that there was a note

1786
01:19:28,390 --> 01:19:26,269
from the Queen Mother at that time who

1787
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:28,400
said essentially that she was okay with

1788
01:19:34,750 --> 01:19:32,209
a Nazi occupation of England if they

1789
01:19:36,489 --> 01:19:34,760
would guarantee that the monarchy stayed

1790
01:19:38,109 --> 01:19:36,499
intact and of course you have to know

1791
01:19:40,299 --> 01:19:38,119
your history and realize that the

1792
01:19:42,669 --> 01:19:40,309
Windsors who were the mountain diamonds

1793
01:19:44,529 --> 01:19:42,679
who were before that the baton berg's

1794
01:19:46,930 --> 01:19:44,539
and that they're all of German descent

1795
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:46,940
so they were all cousins anyway right

1796
01:19:53,049 --> 01:19:51,199
Peter wasn't that nice of them to to say

1797
01:19:55,060 --> 01:19:53,059
that that they were perfectly fine with

1798
01:19:58,239 --> 01:19:55,070
that Nazi takeover as long as they could

1799
01:20:11,229 --> 01:19:58,249
keep a stay in power and then really was

1800
01:20:12,459 --> 01:20:11,239
really keen of them to do though and

1801
01:20:14,649 --> 01:20:12,469
what does that tell you about the fact

1802
01:20:16,089 --> 01:20:14,659
that they're all you know they

1803
01:20:17,709 --> 01:20:16,099
interbreed in turn and they're

1804
01:20:20,500 --> 01:20:17,719
intermarry and they're all of the same

1805
01:20:22,089 --> 01:20:20,510
bloodlines anyway well there you go I

1806
01:20:23,830 --> 01:20:22,099
mean one thing just to add to what you

1807
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:23,840
were saying is just go back over the

1808
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:27,050
Nuremberg trial where it has you know is

1809
01:20:32,350 --> 01:20:29,570
on trial and he wants to make a final

1810
01:20:34,029 --> 01:20:32,360
statement which everybody was allowed to

1811
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:34,039
do everybody was allowed to make their

1812
01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:35,329
statement at the very end

1813
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:38,209
yes starts talking about who wants to

1814
01:20:43,870 --> 01:20:41,840
reveal what really was going on and then

1815
01:20:45,729 --> 01:20:43,880
they they interrupt him they

1816
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:45,739
tell him to sit down and they closed it

1817
01:20:50,590 --> 01:20:47,570
they don't allow him to keep talking I

1818
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:50,600
mean he starts to talk there's maybe a

1819
01:20:54,729 --> 01:20:53,210
paragraph when he starts to get wound up

1820
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:54,739
and starts to say look I tell you what

1821
01:20:59,169 --> 01:20:56,480
really was going on here since the

1822
01:21:01,870 --> 01:20:59,179
beginning and they immediately closed

1823
01:21:03,310 --> 01:21:01,880
him down he's not allowed to say what he

1824
01:21:05,950 --> 01:21:03,320
wants to say and I'm reading this thing

1825
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:05,960
and I'm saying why did you stop him you

1826
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:07,250
know here he was going to tell you

1827
01:21:11,530 --> 01:21:09,199
something pops perhaps of vital

1828
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:11,540
importance at least for posterity

1829
01:21:15,610 --> 01:21:14,000
and you shut him up don't allow him to

1830
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:15,620
speak but you go look at the final

1831
01:21:20,110 --> 01:21:17,090
speeches and everybody else they go on

1832
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:20,120
for pages of self-justification you know

1833
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:22,130
and then here's test starting it and

1834
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:23,840
they don't let them talk here's the one

1835
01:21:28,540 --> 01:21:26,090
guy that we need to know what happened

1836
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:28,550
you know because of the swipe because of

1837
01:21:33,129 --> 01:21:30,530
all of this and we're not allowed to

1838
01:21:35,890 --> 01:21:33,139
know we are not allowed to hear it it

1839
01:21:39,149 --> 01:21:35,900
reminds me Jim if you remember back at

1840
01:21:42,490 --> 01:21:39,159
the during the Warren Commission when

1841
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:42,500
Bruce Payne was starting to talk right

1842
01:21:46,660 --> 01:21:44,000
they're interviewing who's paying the

1843
01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:46,670
famous Rouge paint who had Oswald and

1844
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:49,310
marina Oswald in her home she's starting

1845
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:51,679
to talk Allen Dulles is part of the

1846
01:21:55,930 --> 01:21:53,570
group that's listening to her as she

1847
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:55,940
starts to talk about her involvement

1848
01:22:00,129 --> 01:21:58,400
with Oswald and a trip that she was

1849
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:00,139
planning to make the Philadelphia that

1850
01:22:03,610 --> 01:22:00,650
year

1851
01:22:06,580 --> 01:22:03,620
well this cuts and starts changing the

1852
01:22:09,700 --> 01:22:06,590
subject and that always that always

1853
01:22:10,990 --> 01:22:09,710
intrigued me until I still eyes that you

1854
01:22:13,090 --> 01:22:11,000
know what Dulles was doing he did not

1855
01:22:15,550 --> 01:22:13,100
want Ruth Paine to talk about meeting

1856
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:15,560
Arthur Young her father-in-law in

1857
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:18,560
Philadelphia because Arthur Young's wife

1858
01:22:23,709 --> 01:22:21,170
was the close friend of Mary Bancroft

1859
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:23,719
who was his mistress and that would have

1860
01:22:28,750 --> 01:22:25,010
opened up a whole can of worms in the

1861
01:22:31,149 --> 01:22:28,760
first place but it exactly Arthur Young

1862
01:22:33,340 --> 01:22:31,159
you know the connection back to Oswald

1863
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:33,350
with Arthur Young and a whole host of

1864
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:35,030
other ideas that are right about it and

1865
01:22:40,180 --> 01:22:37,250
sinister forces principle I mean it

1866
01:22:42,820 --> 01:22:40,190
would have been huge so he cuts her off

1867
01:22:44,919 --> 01:22:42,830
just like they cut off that you know so

1868
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:44,929
even you're in a public forum and you're

1869
01:22:53,350 --> 01:22:47,210
giving testimony you're not allowed to

1870
01:22:55,510 --> 01:22:53,360
give well when you're in control of the

1871
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:55,520
investigation you turn it the way you

1872
01:23:01,090 --> 01:22:57,770
want to turn into another classic

1873
01:23:03,250 --> 01:23:01,100
was the railroad dispatcher Lee Bowers

1874
01:23:05,890 --> 01:23:03,260
who was in the tower behind the grassy

1875
01:23:08,440 --> 01:23:05,900
knoll and when in his testimony the

1876
01:23:10,660 --> 01:23:08,450
Warren Commission he said he saw two men

1877
01:23:12,460 --> 01:23:10,670
back behind that fence at the time of

1878
01:23:14,620 --> 01:23:12,470
the assassination and he says and

1879
01:23:16,150 --> 01:23:14,630
something caught my eye and I'm not

1880
01:23:17,710 --> 01:23:16,160
really you know he starts to try to

1881
01:23:19,570 --> 01:23:17,720
describe what it was and immediately

1882
01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:19,580
they interject and say well was there a

1883
01:23:23,230 --> 01:23:21,170
lot of policemen coming back in there

1884
01:23:24,970 --> 01:23:23,240
and they just totally distract him you

1885
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:24,980
know and then but when he was finally

1886
01:23:29,020 --> 01:23:27,170
interviewed a couple of years later and

1887
01:23:31,210 --> 01:23:29,030
they said well what was they caught your

1888
01:23:33,820 --> 01:23:31,220
eye he said well a splash or a puff of

1889
01:23:35,860 --> 01:23:33,830
smoke very very solid evidence that

1890
01:23:39,340 --> 01:23:35,870
there was a shot from the grassy no

1891
01:23:41,440 --> 01:23:39,350
right exactly so even though we have the

1892
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:41,450
so called government agencies doing the

1893
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:44,210
investigation in a public way or printed

1894
01:23:49,420 --> 01:23:45,890
anyway in a public way or whoever it is

1895
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:49,430
we can't even trust that you know no so

1896
01:23:59,770 --> 01:23:50,960
where do we start

1897
01:24:02,110 --> 01:23:59,780
search the internet okay because the

1898
01:24:04,480 --> 01:24:02,120
upside of the Internet is that anybody

1899
01:24:07,540 --> 01:24:04,490
and everybody has access to the Internet

1900
01:24:12,190 --> 01:24:07,550
but now of course the downside is that

1901
01:24:15,190 --> 01:24:12,200
everybody and anybody has access we all

1902
01:24:18,940 --> 01:24:15,200
know that right so unfortunately the the

1903
01:24:21,970 --> 01:24:18,950
Internet is fantastic for having a wide

1904
01:24:25,150 --> 01:24:21,980
breadth of information but you have to

1905
01:24:28,260 --> 01:24:25,160
have some discernment and unfortunately

1906
01:24:32,350 --> 01:24:28,270
I don't see much of that around today

1907
01:24:36,010 --> 01:24:32,360
you know with you there yeah it's sad I

1908
01:24:37,660 --> 01:24:36,020
guess bro an agreement that things are

1909
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:37,670
not things have not reached a point

1910
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:39,440
where people are really starting to be

1911
01:24:45,070 --> 01:24:41,450
so concerned that they're gonna actually

1912
01:24:48,940 --> 01:24:45,080
going to you know do something you know

1913
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:48,950
whether it be you know public activism

1914
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:51,050
or or anything to really try to force

1915
01:24:56,740 --> 01:24:53,090
the handover the powers that be on a

1916
01:24:58,270 --> 01:24:56,750
very wide scale at this point you know

1917
01:24:59,890 --> 01:24:58,280
as you said earlier Peter we've been

1918
01:25:02,770 --> 01:24:59,900
conditioned to believe that people in

1919
01:25:06,220 --> 01:25:02,780
other countries are somehow you know not

1920
01:25:07,700 --> 01:25:06,230
they're not quite right because you know

1921
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,710
they're not American they don't have

1922
01:25:12,229 --> 01:25:09,840
that American spirits you know we've all

1923
01:25:14,360 --> 01:25:12,239
had we've all been beat into our head so

1924
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:14,370
many times that the idea of American

1925
01:25:17,900 --> 01:25:15,930
exceptionalism that anybody doing

1926
01:25:20,390 --> 01:25:17,910
anything around the world other than in

1927
01:25:21,620 --> 01:25:20,400
America doesn't really matter you know

1928
01:25:23,180 --> 01:25:21,630
so a lot of people can walk down the

1929
01:25:24,709 --> 01:25:23,190
street and think that you know what's

1930
01:25:27,979 --> 01:25:24,719
going on in Egypt with people being

1931
01:25:30,490 --> 01:25:27,989
killed there and the conflict going on

1932
01:25:33,470 --> 01:25:30,500
between the Muslim Brotherhood and the

1933
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:33,480
the military there really doesn't impact

1934
01:25:37,729 --> 01:25:35,520
anybody but of course it does because

1935
01:25:38,959 --> 01:25:37,739
everything that's going on everywhere is

1936
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:38,969
interconnected with everything that's

1937
01:25:43,700 --> 01:25:41,040
happening everywhere else what's going

1938
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:43,710
on here in America is you know

1939
01:25:48,770 --> 01:25:46,170
intricately entwined with what's going

1940
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:48,780
on in Egypt what's going on in Syria

1941
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:50,370
what's going on in other countries in

1942
01:25:54,740 --> 01:25:53,010
the Middle East and in in Asia and in

1943
01:25:56,930 --> 01:25:54,750
Russia you know with Snowden and all

1944
01:25:58,850 --> 01:25:56,940
this other stuff that's going on it's

1945
01:26:01,580 --> 01:25:58,860
all intricately connected and I think

1946
01:26:02,930 --> 01:26:01,590
that everybody needs to you know come to

1947
01:26:04,490 --> 01:26:02,940
an understanding about that but of

1948
01:26:06,890 --> 01:26:04,500
course that's not going to happen

1949
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:06,900
anytime soon because we don't have a

1950
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:08,850
media anymore we don't have anybody that

1951
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:11,370
actually speaks for us in though in the

1952
01:26:14,780 --> 01:26:13,410
in the mainstream you know anybody

1953
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:14,790
that's looking out for us we don't have

1954
01:26:18,290 --> 01:26:17,010
anybody that's really trying to get to

1955
01:26:20,990 --> 01:26:18,300
the bottom of things except for

1956
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:21,000
researchers like yourselves and and

1957
01:26:25,670 --> 01:26:23,850
radio shows like this where we can have

1958
01:26:29,229 --> 01:26:25,680
alternative voices on they try to put

1959
01:26:32,030 --> 01:26:29,239
these pieces together and I think it's

1960
01:26:34,010 --> 01:26:32,040
you know that that goes back to what you

1961
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:34,020
said Jim that you know we do have access

1962
01:26:37,070 --> 01:26:35,280
to the Internet

1963
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:37,080
and unfortunately that is also our

1964
01:26:41,630 --> 01:26:38,850
downfall as well because as much as you

1965
01:26:43,340 --> 01:26:41,640
may be able to find good information to

1966
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:43,350
support research that you're trying to

1967
01:26:49,610 --> 01:26:47,520
do you also find a giant heap of crap as

1968
01:26:51,260 --> 01:26:49,620
well which you have to sift through

1969
01:26:53,810 --> 01:26:51,270
before you're able to make a

1970
01:26:58,790 --> 01:26:53,820
determination as to what's fact and

1971
01:27:01,070 --> 01:26:58,800
what's fiction unfortunately and so just

1972
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:01,080
to round out this whole discussion you

1973
01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:03,330
know going back to the Nazis in World

1974
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:07,800
War two there's also this notion that

1975
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:11,370
after the war was over and I'd like both

1976
01:27:19,340 --> 01:27:14,250
of you to comment on this as well after

1977
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:19,350
the war was over that the the Nazis sort

1978
01:27:24,260 --> 01:27:21,600
of disbanded themselves and sort

1979
01:27:25,940 --> 01:27:24,270
of when some of them went to South

1980
01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:25,950
America some of them went to other place

1981
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:28,260
perhaps you know if you've you have

1982
01:27:35,540 --> 01:27:31,520
noted Peter Hitler himself getting out

1983
01:27:37,460 --> 01:27:35,550
possibly ending up in Southeast Asia you

1984
01:27:41,450 --> 01:27:37,470
know with some stopovers along the way

1985
01:27:44,210 --> 01:27:41,460
as well that this was all orchestrated

1986
01:27:46,940 --> 01:27:44,220
that what we had after World War Two was

1987
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:46,950
orchestrated so that the Nazis could

1988
01:27:56,300 --> 01:27:51,110
infiltrate both the both the Westing and

1989
01:28:00,380 --> 01:27:56,310
by way of Russia in particular and of

1990
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:00,390
course we had the the formation of the

1991
01:28:08,870 --> 01:28:03,930
CIA which basically incorporated the the

1992
01:28:10,970 --> 01:28:08,880
entire Nazi Eastern European spy force

1993
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:10,980
into it and basically became an

1994
01:28:19,490 --> 01:28:15,090
extension of Nazi secret intelligence

1995
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:19,500
agencies from the war and what I wanted

1996
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:23,520
to put to you was this notion that there

1997
01:28:30,050 --> 01:28:27,090
was a planned collapse of Germany and

1998
01:28:32,300 --> 01:28:30,060
that after the war was over certain

1999
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:32,310
members of the scientific establishment

2000
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:35,130
certain members of certain important

2001
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:36,570
members of the party and things of this

2002
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:39,570
nature were piecemealed to both sides so

2003
01:28:44,150 --> 01:28:41,250
that they could perpetrate the myth of

2004
01:28:47,300 --> 01:28:44,160
the Cold War so that then they could you

2005
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:47,310
know have this arms race and have all of

2006
01:28:52,070 --> 01:28:49,050
this secrecy because we have this

2007
01:28:54,440 --> 01:28:52,080
terrible this terrible looming threat of

2008
01:28:56,710 --> 01:28:54,450
communist takeover in this country and

2009
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:56,720
of course the same kind of you know

2010
01:29:02,650 --> 01:29:00,000
propaganda only in Reverse in Russia of

2011
01:29:06,110 --> 01:29:02,660
course and in that this was designed

2012
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:06,120
essentially to provide a cover for a

2013
01:29:11,810 --> 01:29:08,010
continuation of the sort of thing that

2014
01:29:15,140 --> 01:29:11,820
was going on in in in Germany under the

2015
01:29:18,500 --> 01:29:15,150
Nazis perhaps in another area perhaps

2016
01:29:21,050 --> 01:29:18,510
within the auspices of these two you

2017
01:29:24,170 --> 01:29:21,060
know Cold War superpowers and I just

2018
01:29:25,970 --> 01:29:24,180
wanted to get get your take on that

2019
01:29:29,060 --> 01:29:25,980
particular aspect of it if you agree

2020
01:29:31,770 --> 01:29:29,070
with me as to as to that point or if you

2021
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:31,780
have something you want to add or

2022
01:29:38,300 --> 01:29:34,090
or if you disagree please feel free to

2023
01:29:41,490 --> 01:29:38,310
stay so how about you Peter first well

2024
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:41,500
it was a rather long statement a planet

2025
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:49,330
part that Peter and that is that when

2026
01:29:54,300 --> 01:29:52,000
they saw the end was coming the that the

2027
01:29:56,670 --> 01:29:54,310
Nazis actually like orchestrated their

2028
01:29:58,770 --> 01:29:56,680
collapse and they and they said well why

2029
01:30:01,020 --> 01:29:58,780
don't we send some to some to Russia

2030
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:01,030
some to the to the to the West because

2031
01:30:05,490 --> 01:30:02,890
we see that they're starting to already

2032
01:30:07,170 --> 01:30:05,500
have some you know tension between the

2033
01:30:09,780 --> 01:30:07,180
two of them that maybe we may be able to

2034
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:09,790
use them well yeah I believe that they

2035
01:30:12,510 --> 01:30:11,050
were that cynical I don't think there's

2036
01:30:14,670 --> 01:30:12,520
any doubt about that whether they

2037
01:30:15,990 --> 01:30:14,680
whether they actually initiated the

2038
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:16,000
collapse themselves or they just saw the

2039
01:30:21,090 --> 01:30:18,250
collapse coming sort of immaterial but

2040
01:30:22,710 --> 01:30:21,100
the the actual end result was you had

2041
01:30:24,150 --> 01:30:22,720
Nazis working on both sides of that

2042
01:30:25,740 --> 01:30:24,160
conflict and they stayed in

2043
01:30:27,810 --> 01:30:25,750
communication with each other some

2044
01:30:29,580 --> 01:30:27,820
people don't realize was that the the

2045
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:29,590
Russian scientists for instance let's

2046
01:30:33,300 --> 01:30:31,600
talk about paperclip as an example the

2047
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:33,310
paperclip scientists in the United

2048
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:35,890
States were actually in communication

2049
01:30:46,050 --> 01:30:38,410
with the the Nazi scientists the

2050
01:30:48,270 --> 01:30:46,060
Russians captured with the paperclip

2051
01:30:50,430 --> 01:30:48,280
scientists were they were located in

2052
01:30:52,620 --> 01:30:50,440
Texas and in places around the world

2053
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:52,630
around the country rather these guys

2054
01:30:55,740 --> 01:30:54,370
were not under any kind of nebula theory

2055
01:30:57,450 --> 01:30:55,750
they were allowed to leave their

2056
01:31:02,160 --> 01:30:57,460
military bases they were allowed to go

2057
01:31:04,530 --> 01:31:02,170
into town back they were in constant

2058
01:31:07,380 --> 01:31:04,540
contact with their brothers on the other

2059
01:31:11,550 --> 01:31:07,390
side of the pen so there was an

2060
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:11,560
underground that was throughout the

2061
01:31:15,750 --> 01:31:13,810
nineteen forties fifties sixties you had

2062
01:31:19,710 --> 01:31:15,760
the mountains as you mentioned the Kalin

2063
01:31:22,230 --> 01:31:19,720
organization which was basically CIA

2064
01:31:25,230 --> 01:31:22,240
they were these guys are not working for

2065
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:25,240
us they were working for themselves you

2066
01:31:28,590 --> 01:31:26,800
know they were incontinent with the with

2067
01:31:30,630 --> 01:31:28,600
the with the spies the Russians captured

2068
01:31:31,950 --> 01:31:30,640
we're trying to use against us they were

2069
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:31,960
in contact with each other they were

2070
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:33,760
cooperating with each other since the

2071
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:37,360
very beginning there was no defeat as

2072
01:31:41,100 --> 01:31:39,130
far as they were concerned there their

2073
01:31:43,620 --> 01:31:41,110
ideology was not defeated they may have

2074
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:43,630
been defeated in war but they just

2075
01:31:47,860 --> 01:31:45,440
shifted the conflict to other areas

2076
01:31:49,300 --> 01:31:47,870
South America they shifted it to the

2077
01:31:52,720 --> 01:31:49,310
Middle East they were still fighting the

2078
01:31:55,900 --> 01:31:52,730
same enemies with the collusion by the

2079
01:31:58,270 --> 01:31:55,910
way since Jim talked about corporations

2080
01:32:00,460 --> 01:31:58,280
of religion with the collusion of the

2081
01:32:03,250 --> 01:32:00,470
Vatican of the Catholic Church then a

2082
01:32:05,200 --> 01:32:03,260
throne of support wholeheartedly behind

2083
01:32:05,740 --> 01:32:05,210
rescuing as many of these guys as

2084
01:32:07,630 --> 01:32:05,750
possible

2085
01:32:10,150 --> 01:32:07,640
because they were anti-communist

2086
01:32:12,730 --> 01:32:10,160
fighters and plus they had access to

2087
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:12,740
huge amounts of treasure a lot of both

2088
01:32:16,270 --> 01:32:14,090
which helped to pay their way and make

2089
01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:16,280
it make the betrayal all the more sweet

2090
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:20,690
so what happened was we in the United

2091
01:32:26,440 --> 01:32:23,090
States we we signed a pact with the

2092
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:26,450
devil after World War two we bartered

2093
01:32:31,390 --> 01:32:29,450
our soul to these guys we brought over

2094
01:32:34,030 --> 01:32:31,400
sciences that should have been executed

2095
01:32:36,310 --> 01:32:34,040
at Nuremberg we we've worthless spies

2096
01:32:37,630 --> 01:32:36,320
that should have been executed nerver we

2097
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:37,640
worked with all these people because we

2098
01:32:41,050 --> 01:32:39,290
were quote-unquote afraid of the Soviet

2099
01:32:43,300 --> 01:32:41,060
Union and the Soviet Union was doing the

2100
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:43,310
same thing you know so both sides were

2101
01:32:49,630 --> 01:32:46,850
just as equally heinous in cooperating

2102
01:32:52,660 --> 01:32:49,640
with these butchers with these fanatical

2103
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:52,670
butchers as we were were both equally at

2104
01:32:55,090 --> 01:32:54,650
fault for them we were general operating

2105
01:32:57,130 --> 01:32:55,100
in it

2106
01:32:59,440 --> 01:32:57,140
look South America the whole political

2107
01:33:01,600 --> 01:32:59,450
situation in South America post war was

2108
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:01,610
a reflection of the fact that we brought

2109
01:33:06,970 --> 01:33:03,920
all those Nazis over into the continent

2110
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:06,980
supporting the local dictatorships with

2111
01:33:12,070 --> 01:33:09,290
money and with ideology and we did the

2112
01:33:14,170 --> 01:33:12,080
same thing in the Middle East so many SS

2113
01:33:19,210 --> 01:33:14,180
officers brought into Egypt with by

2114
01:33:20,590 --> 01:33:19,220
Allen Dulles by the way here's the guy

2115
01:33:22,990 --> 01:33:20,600
that you know knew where all the bodies

2116
01:33:24,850 --> 01:33:23,000
were buried literally and he's helping

2117
01:33:27,850 --> 01:33:24,860
these people people who should have been

2118
01:33:30,310 --> 01:33:27,860
in prison at least he put the buck it

2119
01:33:32,260 --> 01:33:30,320
agent were they were then spying on

2120
01:33:35,170 --> 01:33:32,270
Israel I mean the whole thing was just a

2121
01:33:40,390 --> 01:33:35,180
mess and absolutely anyway that's my

2122
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:40,400
take how about you Jim well a couple of

2123
01:33:44,050 --> 01:33:42,170
things first off a he's absolutely right

2124
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:44,060
and you have to understand what Nazi

2125
01:33:52,390 --> 01:33:48,410
means anyway Nazi is an acronym for the

2126
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:52,400
German for National Socialism they they

2127
01:33:58,330 --> 01:33:55,370
go socialism of the Z so it's Nationals

2128
01:33:59,220 --> 01:33:58,340
and socialism and that's in azi it's an

2129
01:34:02,260 --> 01:33:59,230
acronym

2130
01:34:04,150 --> 01:34:02,270
inventions National Socialism you have

2131
01:34:08,140 --> 01:34:04,160
to understand that because the same

2132
01:34:11,980 --> 01:34:08,150
financial capitalist of the West that

2133
01:34:14,710 --> 01:34:11,990
funded Hitler also had funded the

2134
01:34:20,710 --> 01:34:14,720
Communists and created communism in

2135
01:34:23,350 --> 01:34:20,720
Russia okay and then in August of 1944

2136
01:34:25,990 --> 01:34:23,360
after they had turned against Hitler and

2137
01:34:27,970 --> 01:34:26,000
the d-day landings were successful and

2138
01:34:30,940 --> 01:34:27,980
the Allies had broken out at saint-lo

2139
01:34:32,290 --> 01:34:30,950
France and so the everyone knew that it

2140
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:32,300
was now they weren't going to be able to

2141
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:34,130
push the Allies back into the English

2142
01:34:38,110 --> 01:34:35,930
Channel that it was just a matter of

2143
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:38,120
time before he's all over with and in

2144
01:34:42,460 --> 01:34:40,730
August of 44 Martin Bormann who would by

2145
01:34:44,590 --> 01:34:42,470
the end was chief of staff of Hitler and

2146
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:44,600
was in pretty much in total control of

2147
01:34:49,810 --> 01:34:46,400
what was going on

2148
01:34:53,110 --> 01:34:49,820
met with Herman Schmidt's head of the IG

2149
01:34:55,630 --> 01:34:53,120
Farben combine and dr. Herman Josef ABS

2150
01:34:58,600 --> 01:34:55,640
who was the head of the German central

2151
01:35:01,240 --> 01:34:58,610
bank and they initiated auction armored

2152
01:35:04,210 --> 01:35:01,250
fruit or Operation Eagle flight which

2153
01:35:07,110 --> 01:35:04,220
was to get all of the capital out of

2154
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:07,120
Nazi Germany and they worked with their

2155
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:10,610
funders and in England America one of

2156
01:35:17,020 --> 01:35:13,010
which for example was John J McCloy a

2157
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:17,030
New York banker who during the 30s set

2158
01:35:23,170 --> 01:35:20,210
in Hitler's box at the 1936 Olympics in

2159
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:23,180
his head and CEO of Citi National Bank

2160
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:26,810
which is now Citicorp had made loans and

2161
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:30,410
advanced money to Nazi Germany and then

2162
01:35:35,950 --> 01:35:32,090
at the end of the war he becomes a High

2163
01:35:39,070 --> 01:35:35,960
Commissioner of Germany and allowed all

2164
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:39,080
these unrepentant Nazis to leave many on

2165
01:35:44,260 --> 01:35:41,450
Vatican passports and when they got to

2166
01:35:47,230 --> 01:35:44,270
the United States his protege Allen

2167
01:35:50,050 --> 01:35:47,240
Dulles who Peters mentioned had become

2168
01:35:52,150 --> 01:35:50,060
head of the CIA and whitewashed their

2169
01:35:54,580 --> 01:35:52,160
backgrounds and bringing them in well

2170
01:35:56,740 --> 01:35:54,590
now why would they do this all right I

2171
01:36:01,500 --> 01:35:56,750
submit to you it's because they swapped

2172
01:36:05,650 --> 01:36:01,510
us their nuclear technology for immunity

2173
01:36:08,500 --> 01:36:05,660
on may the 14th 1945 just a few days

2174
01:36:11,710 --> 01:36:08,510
after the war it ended of the the German

2175
01:36:13,570 --> 01:36:11,720
u-boat 234 had gone through several

2176
01:36:17,230 --> 01:36:13,580
hazard

2177
01:36:18,820 --> 01:36:17,240
allied positions with no no interference

2178
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:18,830
and then finally surfaced and

2179
01:36:26,230 --> 01:36:21,850
surrendered to the USS Sutton on may the

2180
01:36:30,550 --> 01:36:26,240
14th 1945 they transferred from this

2181
01:36:33,340 --> 01:36:30,560
submarine to disassembled Messerschmitt

2182
01:36:36,460 --> 01:36:33,350
262 jet fighters the first jet fighters

2183
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:36,470
of the world ten goal-line cylinders of

2184
01:36:42,010 --> 01:36:39,410
the uranium approximately 560 kilograms

2185
01:36:44,410 --> 01:36:42,020
of enriched uranium they try to argue

2186
01:36:46,570 --> 01:36:44,420
and say well it wasn't rich it was just

2187
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:46,580
plain old uranium but then why would you

2188
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:49,010
need a goal-line cylinder and most

2189
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:52,850
importantly dr. Hanks lichte who had a

2190
01:36:57,940 --> 01:36:55,760
developed some infrared proximity fuses

2191
01:37:01,300 --> 01:36:57,950
which was the very thing we were needing

2192
01:37:04,180 --> 01:37:01,310
to set off an atomic bomb ours were not

2193
01:37:06,420 --> 01:37:04,190
fast enough our fuses in fact in early

2194
01:37:09,730 --> 01:37:06,430
1945 President Roosevelt had been

2195
01:37:12,010 --> 01:37:09,740
informed that the centrifuge method we

2196
01:37:15,210 --> 01:37:12,020
were using to enrich uranium was a slow

2197
01:37:18,430 --> 01:37:15,220
process and they did not have enough

2198
01:37:20,830 --> 01:37:18,440
weapons-grade uranium except for one

2199
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:20,840
atomic bomb and of course they had to

2200
01:37:27,490 --> 01:37:23,690
test it so this fall of a timeline on

2201
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:27,500
may the 14th 45 the u2 34 is taken into

2202
01:37:33,130 --> 01:37:30,290
captivity and they get 560 kilograms of

2203
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:33,140
uranium plus doctors collectors infrared

2204
01:37:38,110 --> 01:37:35,840
fuses a couple of days later they set

2205
01:37:40,180 --> 01:37:38,120
off the first atomic bomb test at I

2206
01:37:42,700 --> 01:37:40,190
don't know go down to Mexico and that

2207
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:42,710
very day once they know hey it works

2208
01:37:48,220 --> 01:37:45,530
then the USS Indianapolis departs that

2209
01:37:51,010 --> 01:37:48,230
very day from San Francisco 14 ioan

2210
01:37:53,710 --> 01:37:51,020
don't you live at 26 it arrives at

2211
01:37:56,860 --> 01:37:53,720
Tinian and of course we know there that

2212
01:38:00,190 --> 01:37:56,870
they assembled the first atomic bomb and

2213
01:38:02,650 --> 01:38:00,200
on August 6 just a few days later the

2214
01:38:04,510 --> 01:38:02,660
Enola Gay dropped the first atomic bomb

2215
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:04,520
on Hiroshima and about a week later on

2216
01:38:09,850 --> 01:38:06,800
Nagasaki where did they get the uranium

2217
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:09,860
for those two uranium bombs and I submit

2218
01:38:14,830 --> 01:38:12,290
to you from Nazi Germany they swapped us

2219
01:38:16,780 --> 01:38:14,840
their nuclear technology for immunity

2220
01:38:18,730 --> 01:38:16,790
and why didn't the Nazis use it

2221
01:38:21,580 --> 01:38:18,740
themselves well the answer actually is

2222
01:38:24,450 --> 01:38:21,590
kind of simple it's they did have the

2223
01:38:26,350 --> 01:38:24,460
atomic bomb in fact I have a copy of the

2224
01:38:29,890 --> 01:38:26,360
Luftwaffe

2225
01:38:33,459 --> 01:38:29,900
in 1942 of the atomic blast radius on

2226
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:33,469
the island of Manhattan okay but the

2227
01:38:37,959 --> 01:38:35,570
problem was they didn't have a reliable

2228
01:38:40,300 --> 01:38:37,969
delivery system they were working on

2229
01:38:42,399 --> 01:38:40,310
three stage rock at the 8:10 that they

2230
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:42,409
had dubbed the New York rocket but it

2231
01:38:47,229 --> 01:38:44,570
really wasn't quite finished and they

2232
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:47,239
didn't have a reliable guidance system

2233
01:38:51,490 --> 01:38:49,610
for it the v1 v2 x' that they dropped

2234
01:38:53,200 --> 01:38:51,500
over london believe it or not their

2235
01:38:55,660 --> 01:38:53,210
guidance system was they loaded it with

2236
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:55,670
just enough fuel that they calculated it

2237
01:38:58,540 --> 01:38:56,960
would take them over london and then it

2238
01:39:01,540 --> 01:38:58,550
ran out of fuel and dropped like a bomb

2239
01:39:05,620 --> 01:39:01,550
that was their guidance system okay they

2240
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:05,630
did have some six engine bombers that

2241
01:39:10,689 --> 01:39:07,850
they developed and and at a base in

2242
01:39:12,370 --> 01:39:10,699
Norway which they held on to to the very

2243
01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:12,380
last minute although there was no

2244
01:39:18,430 --> 01:39:15,440
strategic you know necessity for that

2245
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:18,440
and but they hadn't finished that they

2246
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:20,480
hadn't finished the base and the crews

2247
01:39:24,910 --> 01:39:22,250
there were saying that they were there

2248
01:39:26,859 --> 01:39:24,920
in preparation for a New York mission so

2249
01:39:28,930 --> 01:39:26,869
apparently the Nazis had the bomb they

2250
01:39:30,250 --> 01:39:28,940
wanted they'd seriously considered

2251
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:30,260
dropping it but they didn't have a

2252
01:39:36,850 --> 01:39:32,810
reliable delivery system and besides

2253
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:36,860
that but by the mid spring by late April

2254
01:39:41,109 --> 01:39:39,770
or so 1945 is obvious war was over and

2255
01:39:43,180 --> 01:39:41,119
the Russians are pouring in from these

2256
01:39:45,459 --> 01:39:43,190
and Allies pouring in from the West and

2257
01:39:47,379 --> 01:39:45,469
I think that they knew that if they had

2258
01:39:50,169 --> 01:39:47,389
dropped an atom bomb on Paris or New

2259
01:39:52,419 --> 01:39:50,179
York or London that the Allies would

2260
01:39:53,500 --> 01:39:52,429
have left no stone unturned in Germany

2261
01:39:55,780 --> 01:39:53,510
they would have just turned the whole

2262
01:39:57,729 --> 01:39:55,790
place into a wasteland and they nobody

2263
01:40:01,629 --> 01:39:57,739
wanted that they wanted to continue

2264
01:40:05,379 --> 01:40:01,639
Germany as a viable member of the world

2265
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:05,389
economy so they swapped us their nuclear

2266
01:40:14,109 --> 01:40:11,449
technology and for community so before

2267
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:14,119
we end the show I wanted to give each of

2268
01:40:19,330 --> 01:40:16,489
you an opportunity to tell everybody

2269
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:19,340
who's listening what kind of projects

2270
01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:21,199
that you're working on right now and

2271
01:40:24,939 --> 01:40:23,570
what we can expect out of you out of the

2272
01:40:29,770 --> 01:40:24,949
future

2273
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:29,780
Jim if you'd like to go first well I am

2274
01:40:37,300 --> 01:40:33,610
waiting here with bated breath for the

2275
01:40:39,550 --> 01:40:37,310
issuance of my new updated and expanded

2276
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:39,560
version of crossfire and the plot that

2277
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:40,170
killed Kennedy

2278
01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:41,850
which of course was my book on the

2279
01:40:46,250 --> 01:40:44,250
community assassination it's due out in

2280
01:40:49,430 --> 01:40:46,260
about another month or so it will be out

2281
01:40:51,860 --> 01:40:49,440
before the 50th anniversary on November

2282
01:40:55,250 --> 01:40:51,870
the 22nd probably late September

2283
01:40:56,900 --> 01:40:55,260
hopefully early October and I think it's

2284
01:40:58,250 --> 01:40:56,910
you're going to find everything you need

2285
01:41:01,550 --> 01:40:58,260
to know about the Kennedy assassination

2286
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:01,560
in that book and the bottom line is is

2287
01:41:07,850 --> 01:41:05,250
that the Kennedy assassinations appears

2288
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:07,860
so controversial okay it's not really

2289
01:41:13,310 --> 01:41:09,810
but it appears so because of the wide

2290
01:41:15,860 --> 01:41:13,320
gulf between government pronouncements

2291
01:41:17,810 --> 01:41:15,870
and most of which are unsubstantiated or

2292
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:17,820
even contradicted by their own

2293
01:41:24,140 --> 01:41:21,690
investigation and the people who have

2294
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:24,150
actually studied the case unfortunately

2295
01:41:31,070 --> 01:41:28,050
in the words of John J McCloy again who

2296
01:41:33,050 --> 01:41:31,080
goes from being a supporter of Hitler to

2297
01:41:35,390 --> 01:41:33,060
the High Commissioner of Germany after

2298
01:41:36,950 --> 01:41:35,400
the war to becoming a member of the

2299
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:36,960
Warren Commission one of its most

2300
01:41:41,930 --> 01:41:39,570
influential members and during the

2301
01:41:44,689 --> 01:41:41,940
Warren Commission investigation he was

2302
01:41:46,189 --> 01:41:44,699
quoted as saying it was a paramount

2303
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:46,199
importance to show the world that

2304
01:41:51,950 --> 01:41:49,199
America is not a Banana Republic where a

2305
01:41:55,790 --> 01:41:51,960
government can be changed by conspiracy

2306
01:41:58,430 --> 01:41:55,800
well sorry John we are a Banana Republic

2307
01:42:01,090 --> 01:41:58,440
and you can see the evidence in my new

2308
01:42:05,209 --> 01:42:01,100
book crossfire the plot to kill Kennedy

2309
01:42:07,490 --> 01:42:05,219
we really are Banana Republic it's it's

2310
01:42:10,840 --> 01:42:07,500
a sad reality but we've become that

2311
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:10,850
which we used to you know use the term

2312
01:42:18,260 --> 01:42:15,410
you know deplorable for certain small

2313
01:42:22,610 --> 01:42:18,270
countries in South and Central America

2314
01:42:24,830 --> 01:42:22,620
most usually were given that epithet of

2315
01:42:29,660 --> 01:42:24,840
being a Banana Republic because they

2316
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:29,670
grew bananas you know we're a banana

2317
01:42:34,220 --> 01:42:31,890
republic now we really are where we're

2318
01:42:35,570 --> 01:42:34,230
probably one of the biggest banana

2319
01:42:38,330 --> 01:42:35,580
republics in the world right now

2320
01:42:40,430 --> 01:42:38,340
unfortunately which is sad to say but

2321
01:42:44,209 --> 01:42:40,440
there you have it

2322
01:42:45,950 --> 01:42:44,219
Peter what about you well damn I was

2323
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:45,960
right the same thing that Jim is talking

2324
01:43:02,839 --> 01:42:56,959
well here it's all there there's still

2325
01:43:03,949 --> 01:43:02,849
plenty of details to write about well

2326
01:43:06,049 --> 01:43:03,959
maybe maybe not

2327
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:06,059
maybe I wasn't joking yeah I am actually

2328
01:43:11,149 --> 01:43:08,130
working on something else right now

2329
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:11,159
right the middle of it the book ratline

2330
01:43:15,020 --> 01:43:13,199
which talks about the escape routes into

2331
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:15,030
Southeast Asia for the very first time

2332
01:43:19,129 --> 01:43:17,280
mentioning you know the Nazi presidents

2333
01:43:21,589 --> 01:43:19,139
in Southeast Asia before during and

2334
01:43:25,339 --> 01:43:21,599
after the war I came into contact with a

2335
01:43:29,390 --> 01:43:25,349
lot more information specifically

2336
01:43:32,600 --> 01:43:29,400
relating to Tibet and the involvement of

2337
01:43:34,909 --> 01:43:32,610
Nazis into that both pre post and post

2338
01:43:37,879 --> 01:43:34,919
war there's a whole story there that has

2339
01:43:40,959 --> 01:43:37,889
yet to be told so I'm working fully on

2340
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:40,969
that subject as well as the location of

2341
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:44,489
Nazi gold after the war where that wound

2342
01:43:48,020 --> 01:43:46,050
up and I've come into contact with a lot

2343
01:43:51,219 --> 01:43:48,030
of information concerning that as well

2344
01:43:53,569 --> 01:43:51,229
so I've been scouring Southeast Asia

2345
01:43:55,879 --> 01:43:53,579
talking to people make doing interviews

2346
01:43:57,409 --> 01:43:55,889
and coming up with some yeah I think

2347
01:44:00,199 --> 01:43:57,419
pretty interesting information as to

2348
01:44:02,299 --> 01:44:00,209
what was going on with all of that you

2349
01:44:04,040 --> 01:44:02,309
know people have written about gold the

2350
01:44:06,319 --> 01:44:04,050
Japanese of course very cold all over

2351
01:44:07,850 --> 01:44:06,329
Southeast Asia well we don't really

2352
01:44:10,250 --> 01:44:07,860
realize that some of the gold that was

2353
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:10,260
being buried was for Germany shift on

2354
01:44:15,949 --> 01:44:12,239
u-boats to get them out of the way of

2355
01:44:17,569 --> 01:44:15,959
the Allies to find a safe place to bury

2356
01:44:20,179 --> 01:44:17,579
some of it went to South America as we

2357
01:44:22,250 --> 01:44:20,189
know so much of Africa and a lot of a

2358
01:44:23,929 --> 01:44:22,260
lot more of it went to Southeast Asia so

2359
01:44:25,929 --> 01:44:23,939
I've been on the trail of that as well

2360
01:44:30,649 --> 01:44:25,939
so I came into contact with the

2361
01:44:33,140 --> 01:44:30,659
documents concerning mr. Pope Jim Martin

2362
01:44:35,629 --> 01:44:33,150
mentioned his name a lot the documents

2363
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:35,639
the papers that he owned that were in

2364
01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:38,010
his possession at the time he died which

2365
01:44:42,979 --> 01:44:41,550
opens a window onto people more deeply

2366
01:44:44,959 --> 01:44:42,989
into it not the objects around it in

2367
01:44:47,239 --> 01:44:44,969
Asia so it's an interesting stuff and

2368
01:44:49,850 --> 01:44:47,249
I'm hoping to put that together probably

2369
01:44:51,500 --> 01:44:49,860
come out in the spring okay

2370
01:44:54,259 --> 01:44:51,510
that's how I'll look forward to that

2371
01:44:56,689 --> 01:44:54,269
yeah both both of those sound really

2372
01:45:00,770 --> 01:44:56,699
great of course I know I'm familiar with

2373
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:00,780
crossfire and Jim I have I have many of

2374
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:03,119
your books here I have many of Peters

2375
01:45:08,980 --> 01:45:05,330
books as well you're both your

2376
01:45:10,990 --> 01:45:08,990
the tutu of my very favorite authors and

2377
01:45:14,650 --> 01:45:11,000
it's been a real treat to have both of

2378
01:45:16,450 --> 01:45:14,660
you here on the show today together I'm

2379
01:45:18,970 --> 01:45:16,460
glad we could make it happen this time

2380
01:45:20,860 --> 01:45:18,980
since we had a little little technical

2381
01:45:23,620 --> 01:45:20,870
difficulties last time we tried to do

2382
01:45:25,180 --> 01:45:23,630
this before I do finish the show and we

2383
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:25,190
have our final comments here I just

2384
01:45:35,220 --> 01:45:30,410
wanted to say that one of our one of the

2385
01:45:39,400 --> 01:45:35,230
hosts of another program on on irn here

2386
01:45:42,700 --> 01:45:39,410
just energy radio with Rita Lewis she

2387
01:45:48,300 --> 01:45:42,710
lost her husband recently and I wanted

2388
01:45:52,630 --> 01:45:48,310
to just say a note of support to her and

2389
01:45:54,340 --> 01:45:52,640
hopefully she's doing good and and being

2390
01:45:56,380 --> 01:45:54,350
able to cope with that loss it's a

2391
01:45:59,140 --> 01:45:56,390
terrible tragedy and I'm very sorry to

2392
01:46:01,300 --> 01:45:59,150
hear that and I just wanted to send out

2393
01:46:04,420 --> 01:46:01,310
my good wishes to her and to her family

2394
01:46:07,810 --> 01:46:04,430
in that as well and of course after my

2395
01:46:10,060 --> 01:46:07,820
show this evening you can stay tuned for

2396
01:46:12,730 --> 01:46:10,070
Heidi Hollis and the Outlander which

2397
01:46:16,420 --> 01:46:12,740
will be at 9 p.m. after the show is over

2398
01:46:20,260 --> 01:46:16,430
and for anyone who's interested you can

2399
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:20,270
catch me on future theatre with Bill and

2400
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:24,410
Nancy Burns on Saturday from 6 to 8 p.m.

2401
01:46:29,470 --> 01:46:26,810
Eastern Time on future theatre right

2402
01:46:31,510 --> 01:46:29,480
here on inception radio so those are

2403
01:46:33,400 --> 01:46:31,520
those are things are coming up for me

2404
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:33,410
and a little bit of well wishes for Rita

2405
01:46:44,950 --> 01:46:40,970
Louise as well and also just to just to

2406
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round this out I would like to give each

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01:46:52,030 --> 01:46:49,150
of you an opportunity to chime in with

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01:46:55,210 --> 01:46:52,040
something that that you think would be a

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01:46:57,070 --> 01:46:55,220
good message to leave with people at the

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01:46:59,650 --> 01:46:57,080
end of the show today because obviously

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01:47:03,940 --> 01:46:59,660
we talk about some rather dark things

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01:47:06,460 --> 01:47:03,950
and some you know hidden history and

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01:47:08,650 --> 01:47:06,470
nefarious actions that have been going

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01:47:10,180 --> 01:47:08,660
on throughout history you know Jim when

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01:47:12,970 --> 01:47:10,190
we started the show you were talking

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01:47:15,610 --> 01:47:12,980
about how in the Sumerian tablets we had

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01:47:17,770 --> 01:47:15,620
this genetic engineering having in the

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01:47:19,090 --> 01:47:17,780
ancient past which may have resulted in

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01:47:23,500 --> 01:47:19,100
the formation of modern human

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01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:23,510
or at least at a part in it and then we

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01:47:29,020 --> 01:47:26,480
moved forward in time through World War

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01:47:32,760 --> 01:47:29,030
two and the legacy thereof and of course

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01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:32,770
a lot of this is very dark and it's very

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01:47:40,270 --> 01:47:37,040
potentially frightening and and what I

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01:47:44,860 --> 01:47:40,280
don't like to leave people with a sense

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01:47:47,500 --> 01:47:44,870
of hopelessness and in the idea that

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01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:47,510
we're powerless in the face of some of

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01:47:51,850 --> 01:47:49,970
this that's what's coming down the road

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01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:51,860
for us so I usually like to give

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01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:54,320
everybody an opportunity to to leave us

2431
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:56,210
with you know something that's the

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01:48:01,240 --> 01:47:59,600
positive spin on where your research is

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01:48:03,310 --> 01:48:01,250
taking us and what you think could be a

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01:48:07,930 --> 01:48:03,320
positive move that people can make for

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01:48:09,220 --> 01:48:07,940
the future to come start with a year

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01:48:12,610 --> 01:48:09,230
yeah good Jim

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01:48:15,610 --> 01:48:12,620
okay yeah no I totally agree with you

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01:48:18,190 --> 01:48:15,620
Ted and I'd like to make some positive

2439
01:48:20,260 --> 01:48:18,200
stuff I'll try to make it brief the good

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01:48:22,630 --> 01:48:20,270
news is is that there's more of us

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01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:22,640
namely good thoughtful concerned

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01:48:28,180 --> 01:48:25,130
considerate people then there are of

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01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:28,190
them these people who would be tyrants

2444
01:48:32,830 --> 01:48:31,010
and controllers okay so all we got to do

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01:48:36,700 --> 01:48:32,840
is get our act together

2446
01:48:39,190 --> 01:48:36,710
I was quoting Einstein he says stupidity

2447
01:48:41,260 --> 01:48:39,200
is repeating the same experiment over

2448
01:48:44,770 --> 01:48:41,270
and over again and expecting a different

2449
01:48:47,500 --> 01:48:44,780
result all right and what I'm saying

2450
01:48:50,380 --> 01:48:47,510
here is is that supposedly we still have

2451
01:48:53,890 --> 01:48:50,390
a vote although we need to see that the

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01:48:55,810 --> 01:48:53,900
computer voting goes by the wayside we

2453
01:48:58,990 --> 01:48:55,820
need to return the paper ballots that

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01:49:02,290 --> 01:48:59,000
can be counted and recounted and we need

2455
01:49:04,660 --> 01:49:02,300
to vote out everybody that's in office I

2456
01:49:06,490 --> 01:49:04,670
can't believe it almost everyone I

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01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:06,500
talked to regardless of their position

2458
01:49:11,500 --> 01:49:09,440
or politics says we're kind of in a mess

2459
01:49:13,390 --> 01:49:11,510
you know how did we get in this mess and

2460
01:49:16,450 --> 01:49:13,400
yet when it's voting time they go down

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01:49:19,870 --> 01:49:16,460
they vote the same jerks in the office

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01:49:21,580 --> 01:49:19,880
okay come on folks vote them all out and

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01:49:23,950 --> 01:49:21,590
start all over again yeah you're gonna

2464
01:49:27,250 --> 01:49:23,960
get some pills but then you watch them

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01:49:29,140 --> 01:49:27,260
and the ones who perform for the public

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01:49:29,740 --> 01:49:29,150
good you vote them back in and the ones

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01:49:31,930 --> 01:49:29,750
who don't

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01:49:32,740 --> 01:49:31,940
and who curry favor with the special

2469
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:32,750
interest and

2470
01:49:36,610 --> 01:49:35,090
operations you vote them out and you

2471
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:36,620
know what that's not a radical idea

2472
01:49:40,900 --> 01:49:39,290
that's the way it's supposed to work so

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01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:40,910
let's make it work like it was supposed

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01:50:03,460 --> 01:49:44,210
to you excellent thank you Jim how about

2475
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:03,470
you Peter yeah we do have access to

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01:50:08,050 --> 01:50:06,290
communication systems now every person

2477
01:50:16,630 --> 01:50:08,060
on the planet basically talked to every

2478
01:50:18,460 --> 01:50:16,640
other person sure you know we have to be

2479
01:50:20,590 --> 01:50:18,470
a bit more careful about how we conduct

2480
01:50:23,500 --> 01:50:20,600
ourselves online I think just as an

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01:50:26,020 --> 01:50:23,510
aside I think that we did far too much

2482
01:50:28,090 --> 01:50:26,030
information to really on the Internet

2483
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:28,100
but who knows maybe it doesn't matter it

2484
01:50:30,900 --> 01:50:29,450
may be Big Brother has all the

2485
01:50:33,550 --> 01:50:30,910
information they need anyway

2486
01:50:35,050 --> 01:50:33,560
the idea of going back to paper not just

2487
01:50:40,300 --> 01:50:35,060
for ballots but for lots of things is

2488
01:50:42,220 --> 01:50:40,310
very attractive to me for a while just

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01:50:44,140 --> 01:50:42,230
try to see the world the way our

2490
01:50:47,110 --> 01:50:44,150
ancestors used to with their own eyes

2491
01:50:49,300 --> 01:50:47,120
you know and experience directly and yet

2492
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:49,310
you know voting is still you know

2493
01:50:54,190 --> 01:50:52,400
powerful in our country at any rate we

2494
01:50:56,920 --> 01:50:54,200
can still use it to cause some changes

2495
01:51:00,480 --> 01:50:56,930
to to occur but at the same time you

2496
01:51:02,770 --> 01:51:00,490
know walk softly and carry a big stick

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01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:02,780
vote all you want to but at the same

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01:51:08,770 --> 01:51:07,130
time keep your eyes and ears open you

2499
01:51:10,090 --> 01:51:08,780
know find out what's really going on do

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01:51:12,130 --> 01:51:10,100
the best that you can you're gonna make

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01:51:14,020 --> 01:51:12,140
mistakes but you know the history we

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01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:14,030
have is already a mistake so you're not

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01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:16,850
going to go too far wrong so keep your

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01:51:20,770 --> 01:51:18,410
eyes and ears open keep reading keep

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01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:20,780
understanding keep making that it's your

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01:51:24,370 --> 01:51:21,770
it's your life

2507
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:24,380
it's your opportunity to change it and

2508
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:25,760
to release it to believe what's really

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01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:29,210
going on keep your powder dry there you

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01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:34,370
go and watch your back very good thank

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01:51:38,380 --> 01:51:36,290
you both so much this was such an

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01:51:40,630 --> 01:51:38,390
enjoyable show and I'm so glad that you

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01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:40,640
both could make it and i really feel

2514
01:51:44,410 --> 01:51:42,410
privileged to have had both of you on

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01:51:46,450 --> 01:51:44,420
together today so thank you both again

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01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:46,460
jim marrs once again a Jim Moore

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01:51:52,209 --> 01:51:49,250
calm and that's Mars with two R's Jim

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01:51:54,940 --> 01:51:52,219
Marrs comm and of course Peter venda has

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01:51:57,130 --> 01:51:54,950
a website which is sinister forces

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01:51:59,680 --> 01:51:57,140
thought info you can find his books at

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01:52:01,330 --> 01:51:59,690
amazon.com as well and he's currently

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01:52:04,030 --> 01:52:01,340
traveling right now we'll look forward

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01:52:06,220 --> 01:52:04,040
to the reprint of the reprint with

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01:52:08,440 --> 01:52:06,230
updated and new information and all put

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01:52:11,620 --> 01:52:08,450
together and repackage good stuff from

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01:52:13,630 --> 01:52:11,630
from Jim Mars on crossfire and we'll

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01:52:17,260 --> 01:52:13,640
look forward to a continuation in the

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01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:17,270
ratline book with with Peter Levin de so

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01:52:22,060 --> 01:52:19,250
thank you again both both of you guys

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01:52:24,520 --> 01:52:22,070
for coming on today and everybody stay

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01:52:26,770 --> 01:52:24,530
tuned for Heidi Hollis and the Outlander

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01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:26,780
and you can catch me next week same time

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01:52:31,479 --> 01:52:29,450
same place 7:00 p.m. Eastern time right

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01:52:32,510 --> 01:52:31,489
here on inception radio network goodbye

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01:53:04,770 --> 01:52:32,520
for now

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01:53:06,500 --> 01:53:04,780
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